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Posts from Club championship of the CIS countries.
I would gladly come to the finals in Minsk during the May holidays. Such a reliable location outside the city – AMAZING... :) I probably won't make it to the finals, but at least I'll hang out there.
We know these fans... they cheer in the sauna and drag players to their place to cheer.
Wicc, well, what can you do? Most people enjoy both poker and saunas...:) In reality, when a serious title is at stake, the lack of discipline ends.
Nagan-4
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2 Samurai.
In my view, this isn't a forecast, but an expression of wishes. I think the issue here is that the esteemed Nagan has a clear bias toward showing respect to the old Heroes veterans, and unfortunately, he isn't very interested in people who only recently started leading an active Heroes life. Otherwise, I simply don't understand how the main initiator of the entire planned qualifying complex can afford to suggest canceling a full qualifying round with a proposal to "finish the previous local tournament and take the finalists from there"? This is like, for example, if teams from the same group ended up in the World Cup semifinals, and to save time, the result of the group stage match was counted. If people with names as significant to Nagan as, for instance, Yama or Stinger lived in Yekaterinburg, I'm sure Nagan would be the first to insist on a full qualifying round in that city! Almost all tournaments in 1fall ended logically and fairly; it's a pity the esteemed Nagan didn't follow the history. Yes, one final tournament was not played out due to the busyness of some people, however, I am sure many people will respond to the qualifiers for the final of the entire Heroes world, far more than were there before. And the motivation for players to play such a tournament will be completely different! Mee, Asm, fx, Mortifer, LeBron, Alone, Merlin, and others—I am more than sure they will want to play specifically in a full qualifying round. I'm planning to visit them. In short, I'm sure the Yekaterinburg qualifier will happen!
I also very much hope that the city, well-known in Heroes circles, will hold a tournament. If I have shown disrespect to the players of this glorious city, then I apologize. I was misled by their forum.
Four people applied. And then silence. That is the source of my concern. Again, I apologize, but the agreement with all the organizers was that we would conduct full tournaments.
Nagan, why aren't you saying anything about the Belarusians?
A regrettable omission. Well fine, I'll talk about the Belarusians. So, Belarusians are the main population of Belarus (8,158 million people, 1999), the total number of Belarusians in the world is about 10 million people. They speak the Belarusian language. Religious Belarusians are predominantly Orthodox; in the northwestern regions, there are Catholics and Uniates. The ancient ethnic basis of the Belarusians was the East Slavic tribes of the Dregovichi, Southwestern Krivichi, Radimichi, and partly the neighboring Drevlyans, Severyans, and Volhynians. The East Slavic ancestors of the Belarusians partially assimilated the Letto-Lithuanian tribes (specifically, the Yotvingians). In the 9th century, East Slavic tribes living in the territory of modern Belarus joined the ancient East Slavic tribes in Kievan Rus, within which these tribes consolidated into the Old Russian nationality. In the middle of the 13th-14th centuries, the lands of Belarus were included in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and in the 16th century—into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The formation of the Belarusian nationality was completed in the 16th century. Its outstanding representatives were F. Skoryna, V. Tyapinsky, and S. Budny. In the 18th century, after the partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, and 1795), Belarusian lands became part of Russia. Some ethnographic features of Belarusian culture are preserved in rural housing and clothing, in food (an abundance of potato dishes — "bulba", the wedding loaf), and in family customs. Belarusian artistic crafts are developing — patterned weaving and embroidery, artistic woodworking, and ceramics production. Whew, I feel a bit better now that I've gotten that out...
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So, supposedly on topic. ;-) The owner of a suitable club has puzzled me here. He says that the copyright holders of Heroes (Nival, Buka) forbid installing the game in clubs!? honestly I'm in shock! He promised to clarify, so I'm waiting. Has anyone heard anything like this?
Honestly, that's unexpected. If licensed discs from Buka itself were purchased, how can it forbid installing the game? Could it then forbid installing the game on home computers? Absurd. The Chaos League was played for many years, as well as official tournaments from the Computer Sport Federation of Russia (I saw the signature of the then-minister Fetisov myself regarding the creation of the CSF), and tournaments were played in clubs, and different ones at that. Buka representatives were in Krasnodar in 2002-2003, and even actively promoted the tournaments. I'd check the info in documents, but it's doubtful.
Perhaps we should vote when the full composition of participants is known.
Yes. The whole point is to finally identify the strongest player, organize the Heroes movement, and put an end to the scandals. People criticize me for remembering the old days, but I knew all the players by face, at least the first fifty, and now there are many new faces who don't know each other at all. Hence the wild fights, imho; when you've communicated with a person in real life, drank vodka and beer until morning, and had heart-to-heart talks—you won't be fighting on forums.
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The final is organized for the players, not for the fans.
Alas, yes. We don't have the opportunity to please everyone; even if we simply hold such a championship, we will already have done something useful for the cause of Heroes.
Honestly, it's unexpected. If licensed copies were purchased directly from Buku, how can they prohibit installing the game? Would they then prohibit installing the game on home computers as well? That's absurd.
For many years, we played in the Chaos League, and there were official tournaments organized by the Russian Computer Sports Federation (I even saw the signature of the then-minister, Fetisov, on the document establishing the FCS). Tournaments were held in various clubs. Buku's representatives were in Krasnodar in 2002-2003, and they actively promoted the tournaments.
Sometimes, information appears in documents, but it's questionable.
There's no need to confuse using software for personal use and using it in clubs for profit. The distributor's rights are provided by the company "Russkiy Shchit" for Buku – this information is two years old. The right to use is sold to clubs in packages, i.e., at once for 10-15 games. I can find out if Heroes 3 is included, but I'm afraid that for the club owner, it doesn't matter if he doesn't know this yet; he's operating illegally, and he doesn't care. But if he owns the package, he definitely knows which games are included, because it costs a lot of money.
And one more question for the entire Heroes community: on which version is the final planned to be held, so that there won't be a situation later where someone says, "You should have known better."
And another question for the entire Heroes community: on which version are you planning to hold the final????, so that there won't be a situation like "...you're on your own..." later.
So, supposedly on topic. ;-) The owner of one of the suitable clubs asked me about something. He says that the copyright holders of Heroes (Nival, Buka) prohibit installing the game in clubs!? :eek: I'm honestly in shock! He promised to clarify, I'm waiting. Has anyone heard anything like this?
I can give them my platinum edition, which I haven't used even once, because I bought it for my collection)))) The kids probably broke the discs, but the license key is somewhere around))))
If there are followers, it will be enough to install Heroes on all the club computers... or, as an option, you can come with your own platinum edition - SoD... or even Erathia, as a pass and with the game on a flash drive... it's just that saving takes a long time :((
But seriously, you need to read the license for any of the above versions and find a solution that is acceptable for the club... the license is in the installer :)
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They've been arguing for 17 pages, but they still can't understand the main point...
The most important thing is to have a goal – for example, announce a tournament with 32 participants in a double-elimination format. The location could be Belarus, with a participation fee of $100 (compared to travel and accommodation costs, and considering it's only once a year, it's a small amount) + approximately $150 for accommodation and meals for 5 days.
The organizers would provide a house for 40-60 people with comfortable and affordable accommodation, and a well-organized and responsible tournament format (which is the most valuable and will be appreciated by those who have organized tournaments before).
AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN...
QUALIFYING TOURNAMENTS ARE ANNOUNCED... and not the other way around!!!!!!!!
Nagan-4
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What a fuss over 17 pages, and you still can't seem to grasp the main point... The most important thing is to have a goal – for example, announcing a Tournaments event with 32 players, double elimination. The location could be, for instance, Belarus, with a participation fee of $100 (which is a small amount considering travel and accommodation costs, especially since it's only once a year) + approximately $150 for accommodation and meals for 5 days. The organizers would provide a house for 40-60 people, offering comfortable and affordable accommodation, and a well-organized and responsible tournament format (which is the most valuable aspect and will be appreciated by those who have organized tournaments before). And THEN... Qualifying tournaments are announced... not the other way around![/QUOTE
Why all the fuss? The scheme you proposed doesn't work; it's been discussed before, but nothing came of it. Perhaps the problem is that not everyone can afford to spend a hundred dollars. It might be a small amount in reality, but for many, they're already short on money for travel, and it's psychologically discouraging.
If your tournament is offered, then why hold qualifying rounds? Only about 32 Heroes of Might and Magic players could travel to Belarus for such a tournament (this is the maximum, even with the best promotion). Why are qualifying rounds needed?
Therefore, there isn't much of a disagreement. We're gradually creating a budget-friendly version of the CIS championship. First, we find an active group of organizers, and then each of them uses their organizational talents (Kyiv, Michurinsk) – people who believe in the organizer are satisfied and write about their experiences, which generates interest from those who didn't participate, i.e., potential participants. Currently, Moscow is actively discussing holding its own qualifying tournament, and according to my information, the participants will be very good, both in terms of quantity and quality.
I hope for Novosibirsk; they have everything needed to hold their own qualifying tournament – and a strong community. The only problem is finding a venue – a club is needed.
Interest is lower in St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg, judging by the activity on the forums. There's simply not enough time; the qualifying tournaments need to be completed by mid-January. The finalists must be determined. They need to determine the location for the final, the templates, the version, etc. This will take some time, even with a vote. Then, they need to practice with the final version of the rules so that everyone is prepared. And some people need to raise money for May – because they need to live in another city for 4-5 days, and not everyone can afford to spend $250.
The idea of commercializing the tournament came up later. Guys, there are other events where this can be implemented. You can meet up, hang out, and play poker for hours. But this tournament is designed to allow even less experienced players to participate. Someone has been sitting at home, really wanting to play, meet people they've only read about, and participate in a full-fledged tournament they've only read about – so they go and play.
By the way, if you manage to hold a qualifying tournament in Minsk exactly as you proposed, with 32 players, double elimination, accommodation, and a good tournament format – and if you can attract players from Minsk and Belarus, then Minsk will be the strongest candidate to host the final. Sincerely.