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AlexTheGreat

10/11/2009 10:37 AM UTC

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Avern

bRitvo4kA played according to Chinese rules

to AliaSmehova: "Apparently, the gods don't give everything to one person..."

Go tell this to your children, or better yet, to your grandmother; they'll sooner believe that Random generated a Rampart-Ivor against Barb-Gurnisson! Someone decided to go crazy and take their favorite character, which is useless on this template, as it is on any other, unless you tailor it so well that it's a dream come true! So all the excuses are just stupid; you need to start with yourself...

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Dirty_Player

10/11/2009 11:23 AM UTC

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AliaSmehova

Go tell that to your kids, or better yet, to your grandma; they'll be more likely to believe that a random generator created a Rampart-Ivor matchup against a Barbarian-Gurnisson!

I thought the same thing, by the way. It seems they decided that everyone should choose their own race. Well, what can you do if someone's favorite hero is Gurnisson? If the Chinese player got a lot of lucky drops, nothing can be done about it; it happens...

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PReDS

10/11/2009 1:04 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player

I thought the same thing, by the way. Apparently, they decided that everyone should choose their own faction. Well, what can you do if someone's favorite hero is Gurnisson? If the Chinese player got lucky with some good items, nothing can be done about it, it happens...

I, for example, really like pickled cucumbers, especially with vodka. :p Nevertheless, I usually try to have milk with something else. :rolleyes:

Avern

10/11/2009 3:49 PM UTC

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to AliaSmehova, please don’t tell me where to go and who to talk to; instead, I can suggest much more interesting routes and activities. Do you really think that your comment in post 181 is helpful to a teammate? And will bRitvo4kA be so inspired by it that he’ll put it in his profile as a signature? If he decided to play Gurney, there must have been a reason. But instead of a rational analysis of the game, all I hear is gloating. Maybe that’s because bRitvo4kA defeated you?

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Oelm

10/12/2009 6:58 AM UTC

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The Barbarian Castle shouldn't be considered weak; it has a 130% balanced start without a Dungeon. Starting as Tyrus, you get 35+ gold and wolves on the first day, plus a nice option to buy a creature on days 112-113, which is definitely not insignificant. Ivor can't compare to this, unless he gets lucky with elf spawns. With roughly equal development, Tyrus will dominate in an early encounter.

However, starting as Gurn is a handicap for the opponent, as is starting as Bron in the Swamp.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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PReDS

10/12/2009 7:41 AM UTC

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Oelm

Barbarian Castle cannot be considered weak on 100% start balance without underground. When starting with Tyras, you get 35+ gray wolves on week 1, as well as a pleasant choice — to buy a dwelling on week 1-1-2 or week 1-1-3, which by definition is not nothing. Ivor does not even come close to this comparison, unless elf stacks are generously scattered. With roughly similar development, Tyras crushes in an early encounter.

Another matter is that starting with Gurni is a handicap for the opponent, just like starting with Bron in the swamp.

Are you confusing TE with SoD?
1. They didn't start with Tyras (if they did start with Tyras, how often do you see him with 3 stacks and upgraded wolves from the start?)
2. Buying a dwelling on week 1-1-2 or 1-1-3 — again, how often does a Barbarian have a second level built plus Balance, as far as I remember, plays by the Chinese rules, which specify a 160% start, not the 130% usually played on HW: there are no crypts on Barbarian terrain, Dwarf Cottages, if they do spawn, Tyras or even Crag might still break a non-trong one (for trongs you need good troops from the start), Gurni won't take a machine gun inside with him — as Vysotsky sang: "Where's the money, Zin?"

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Oelm

10/12/2009 7:46 AM UTC

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I agree, I saw that according to the Chinese rules, the starting resources are 160%. Then, of course, the Barbarian Castle will be weaker. But, on the other hand, you can play as Isro, Galtran, etc. with the Barbarians, unlike with the Rampart. I'm not confusing TE with Sod - 11+ wolves at the start + 18 + from the second hero ~35%, I just didn't understand the first point, I didn't write that we started with Tyraas.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Avern

10/12/2009 7:51 AM UTC

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Oelm

When starting as Tyras, we get 35+ gr. wolves on the first,

I assume this means: in the first week. After capturing the home town, you can count on at least 23 Wolves. The figure of 35+ Wolves is realistic.

PReDS

there are no crypts on Barbarian land, dwarf mines, if any spawn

Since when have Barbarians lived off their own land? For Barbarians, IMO expansion into other players' respawns is always useful.

Wicc

10/12/2009 8:28 AM UTC

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Starting with Tyrus near his home village makes sense, even in Shades of Darkness. If Ivor doesn't have a good strategy, hiding in elven outposts won't help him.

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Oelm

10/12/2009 8:32 AM UTC

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1-2 Elf dwellings can help break through the enemy's defenses on level 121+, in which case the game is usually won.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

Hermit

10/12/2009 12:03 PM UTC

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What is the current gold on hand?

Added after 49 seconds
Well, if it's in the treasury, then yes.

Всё не так плохо как Вы думаете. Всё намного хуже!

Lider1

10/12/2009 1:31 PM UTC

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Wow. The Chinese are dominating in terms of balance. Even though they got a free advantage with two hidden Elf dwellings. But still...

Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того

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Van

10/12/2009 1:47 PM UTC

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When have the Barbarians ever lived off their own land? For Barbarians, IMHO, expansion into other players' respawns is always beneficial
And for which race is expansion not beneficial)))))

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Avern

10/12/2009 1:50 PM UTC

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Van

When did Barbarians ever live off their own land? For Barbarians, IMHO, expansion into other players' respawns is always useful.
And for which race is expansion not useful)))))

Well, for any race it's good! But for Barbarians, it's a way of life. :D