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Vip.rus

16 years ago

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I'd like to share my thoughts on the topic as well.

Every generator has its pros and cons (and flaws), and everyone plays with the one they like best!

1. I suggest stopping commercial tournaments, as I believe a significant prize is an additional incentive for dishonesty!
2. Create a clear list of tournament rules; if they are not violated, there is no point in discussing anything, even if someone plays by different principles. Any accusation of dishonesty should be supported with evidence, or it's better to remain silent; otherwise, we can end up in a ridiculous situation and stop playing our favorite game altogether.
3. Here's another suggestion: keep a list of people who register for a tournament and then drop out halfway through or earlier. I've noticed that these are often the same people. Because of them, good players can't get into the tournament:smile48:

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drunk2

16 years ago

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Leolopus

Trying to enforce honesty, as I mentioned before, everyone has their own understanding of it, and ultimately, no one owes anything to anyone here.

There aren't that many players in Heroes. Everyone knows each other through games or through mutual acquaintances. After reading tournament reports about some players (I'll keep it to myself), I wouldn't want to play with them. I think many have come to the same conclusion, even without playing.

raykkonen

16 years ago

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Yeah, for not finishing the tournament, he's been blacklisted... he won't be allowed to participate in the next tournament!

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I agree with the Player... it's tedious to have a tournament on the same map! Very tedious... it's all the same, without any zest or sparkle... I'm already sick of it, but I'm still playing.

Leolopus

16 years ago

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:D I'm telling you, any topic raised here, whether relevant or not, starts to branch out into related sub-topics like a snowball, and if we don't put a stop to it, I guarantee that in a couple of days we'll be passionately discussing Iran's nuclear problem. Gentlemen, comrades, the tournament has been running for a month now, so let's stick to the point:smile16:. I'm very glad that there are constructive suggestions and healthy criticism, and I think you can all express these in the discussion thread for another, new tournament. Let's respect the work and initiative of your humble servants:smile30:.
P.S. And this tournament will probably be the last commercial one, but not because money encourages dishonest gameplay, I don't agree with that. I just want to be a spectator and offer some criticism from the sidelines, as that's where it's easier to see:rolleyes:

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R.Ll.S.h57

Guys, can I still register for the tournament? Or is it too late?

Unfortunately, you didn't provide your ICQ contact, so I'm answering here. You can register, but you'll have to participate under certain and not very favorable starting conditions, i.e., take on the burden and legacy of the players who have dropped out, which usually means a series of defeats, at least two. If this doesn't scare you, contact me or immortal via ICQ; the numbers are listed in the main tournament thread.
P.S. This offer applies to everyone who wants to participate in the tournament!

immortal

16 years ago

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Yes, usually unknown players leave after two defeats, and it's always different players, so a blacklist won't help... I think it's unfair to leave after two losses – they might as well not have registered in the first place. Regarding the rules, it says that you can jump to any zone using astral gates, except for the starting zone; we won't change the regulations now. As far as I remember, it has always been this way... If there's no way to use astral gates, but you can enter a zone through a shifted guard, you shouldn't do that; you have to break through.

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sir_moz

16 years ago

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If I created 9 templates, with 3 of them being for the large size, that would allow for quick, intense games.

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Vip.rus

16 years ago

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raykkonen

Yeah, he didn't finish the tournament, so he's been blacklisted... he won't be allowed to participate in the next tournament!

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I agree with Player... it's tedious to play a tournament on the same map! Very tedious... it's all the same, without any zest or sparkle... I'm already getting sick of it, but I'm still playing.

Player meant the Maze_1 map, but the regular Maze on the standard generator is a great find, and you can play it endlessly, in my opinion.

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Leolopus

16 years ago

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raykkonen

Yeah, he didn't finish the tournament and should be blacklisted... he shouldn't be allowed to participate in the next tournament!
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I agree with Игрок... it's boring to have a tournament on the same map! Very boring... it's all the same, without any zest or sparkle... I'm already sick of it, but I'm still playing.

Participating or not participating in a tournament is entirely voluntary, and if anyone is experiencing discomfort, it's the players who dropped out. As for immortal and me, I don't see any problems for the others, except maybe a reason to stir things up. As for your attitude towards the tournament, "I'm already sick of it, but I'm still playing," it smells like sadomasochism. You shouldn't torture yourself like that, just to be different from those you suggest "Yeah, he didn't finish the tournament and should be blacklisted... he shouldn't be allowed to participate in the next tournament!". And you don't need to agree with Игрок; he didn't leave the tournament because of the single map, it's his favorite map and he's only played it for the last year and every day (I stand by my words). He was unhappy with the iRMG generator "without any zest or sparkle."

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sir_moz

f I made 9 maps, including 3 for the large size, which would allow for fast, intense games.

I'm very glad, and I hope to participate in a tournament organized by you soon, on your terms and according to your rules. In general, I would also be happy to participate in any other tournaments on any maps, generators, mods, etc.

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raykkonen

16 years ago

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Vip.rus

The player was referring to the Maze_1 template, but a regular Maze on a standard generator is a great find; in my opinion, it can be played endlessly.

I agree!

Kolobokk

16 years ago

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We've strayed a bit from the topic, but what can be done to prevent players from looking at maps in the editors is already a matter for consideration.
As for banning things that can't be verified, is it worth it? I think it's better to avoid this approach, as it seems completely pointless. Here's an example: I've encountered this many times – an opponent's hero runs into a zone (treasure area) that I've partially cleared. I wouldn't say that anyone was there. But the opponent, after running around for a bit, concludes that someone was there and runs away???????
How can they come to such a conclusion, especially since there are artifacts there, and I didn't go for them only because they were far from the main road or I was in a hurry to prepare for a breakthrough.

And regarding the fact that all of this is pointless – I basically agree; it has never affected the outcome. But I would like all players to be on equal footing, especially beginners. If this opportunity exists, even if it requires hundreds of bags of gold, why not? The only thing is that 100 bags of gold need to be avoided in some other way.

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sir_moz

16 years ago

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And why, actually, aren’t newcomers on Irmg starting on equal footing?

raykkonen

16 years ago

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I don't understand at all how this tournament differs from the previous one, except for the stupid random map generator. Don't the organizers have any imagination?

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Vip.rus

16 years ago

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raykkonen

I don't understand at all how this tournament differs from the previous one, except for the stupid generator?
Do the organizers really lack imagination?

All suggestions should have been made before the tournament; the organizers will organize what they like! If you have other good ideas, feel free to suggest them instead of blaming others! It's easy to blame, but no one knows how to organize it themselves!

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Leolopus

16 years ago

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raykkonen

I really don't understand how this tournament differs from the previous one, except for the stupid map generator?
Do the organizers really lack imagination?

The tournament differs in many ways, including the fact that the maps are generated using what you call a "stupid generator," although I would be more polite in my wording:mad: The generator may be liked or disliked, but until you personally have something to offer as an alternative, it's best to refrain from such evaluations. Specific people created and continue to improve the generator; this is their time and effort, and that alone deserves respect! As for imagination? Where were you, the guy with a rich imagination, when I started the discussion about the upcoming tournament??? I respond to your posts because I have something to say and can provide arguments. But I warn you, you are crossing the line of decency and directly insulting specific people with your absurd evaluations. I advise you to consider this information!

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KillAndAction

16 years ago

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:eek:

We haven't had such heated debates in a long time... :smile44:
As a famous cartoon character would say: AWESOME!

I'm voting for the creators of IRMG... I enjoy playing on maps created using this generator.

A "black list" is definitely needed: there should be some kind of reaction to inappropriate and incorrect actions by players.:smile29:

Regarding Astral Gates: I'm also not used to using this spell; I don't even remember what it is anymore! In my last game with Bolivar, I could have avoided defeat if I hadn't fought hundreds of liches and hellhounds (they destroyed 2/3 of my upgraded executioners). And the lack of meat prevented me from winning the final. That's how it is!
But it was my mistake.:rolleyes:

So, I suggest writing in the rules, in BOLD and LARGE letters, about the use of Astral Gates. (especially for the STUPID).

Added after 44 minutes
Dear judges, please decide on the composition of the participants in our group!

Time is running out... And the situation in the group is interesting. Moreover, those who have won against the eliminated players already have a real advantage over those who have not played against them...
Besides, there are people who want to play!

Thank you in advance!

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