Fortress vs. Necropolis — Dungeon

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el_miga

16 years ago

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It’s not a problem at all, because here it’s not about quantity, but about quality.

I completely agree! It just doesn’t work very often with agile units. You still need a normal amount of them.

Avenger

I think it’s always profitable to build Minotaurs in the first week.

Since I play on Hero difficulty, there is often a severe shortage of resources, so I mainly build sulfur production.

Avenger

I often use leadership to get retribution, not empathy (retribution significantly increases the base damage, and the strength of the chains depends on it, that is, we also take attack, luck... everything to increase the base damage, we pump up the attack.)

The thing is, if you take attack, you don’t get wizardry, and you lose turns of the hero. Here, priorities come into play: 25% damage or constant hero turns.)

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And in general, I really liked the constant turns of the units!)

Мститель

16 years ago

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It’s a good strategy to play with Dark Elves and their hero! It’s very advantageous because Dark Elves have the easiest city development.
Conclusion: you need to agree on the battle conditions before the battle.
Here, I wouldn’t build Minotaurs on the first level either.

Regarding empathy instead of retribution, I might reconsider my position; deep down, I doubt my priorities regarding the use of leadership with Dark Elves.

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el_miga

16 years ago

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yes, not just against the dark factions... I started playing on that difficulty from the beginning, and now it seems too easy on another one)
and regarding the topic, Necropolis also wins without losses) but everyone except the Dungeon has problems with the castle) well, except for Haven, it's a bit easier)
I only tried the leadership skill... it's very convenient!
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Against Necromancer on hero difficulty, I recommend Kifrah (empathy, luck, education, chaos, and attack)! BUT!!! if the issue will be resolved in the first 2 weeks, she is not suitable! she is quite weak at the beginning. Then, Vaishan is quite effective in all parameters (luck, attack, magic, chaos, education)!

Ereb

16 years ago

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...to be honest, Kifaru is a perfect secondary hero – he has few drawbacks, and it’s easy to gain leadership and gather troops!!..., I don’t know about Hero mode... I don’t play it that often because the AI becomes too aggressive. It’s still possible to play one-on-one – I’ve played it, but playing with four players in Hero mode is tough; you can only win if you get lucky and aren’t defeated in weeks 3 or 2 (especially against Necropolis)... The building system is indeed convenient – what I like is the artifact shop for 1000 gold – and there you can find Phoenix Feathers (which is a real treat). Also, a lucky Sorcerer is easier to acquire!!... Against Necropolis on Hero difficulty, Kifaru is a good choice. How are you going to quickly capture sulfur or crystal mines with Vayshan? You can either rush him or take a little more time to develop, and then you’ll have to prepare his grave.

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el_miga

16 years ago

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1v1 gameplay is actually more challenging, as the AI starts eliminating each other, and their armies become weaker...
With Kifara, mines are usually acquired in the second week, which is quite easy...
With Vaishan, you can even get crystals in the first week; sulfur is built in the castle.
One of Kifara's main advantages is the Ice Golem! When used wisely, it's a very powerful unit! Vaishan, on the other hand, has almost uncontrollable mines!
Please provide the name of a map against Necropolis; I'll play it and share my observations.

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And 250 per day is quite good, in my opinion, considering that the Tribes of the East army is the most expensive.

Мститель

16 years ago

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One thing is clear: you shouldn't choose Lethos against Necropolis:

Still, my choice against Necropolis is Iranna.
Education from the start won't hurt, and neither will mana regeneration (Necropolis has Spiritual Link, and they have a large army, so you need a lot of mana). I'm not even mentioning the 1.5x stat boost.

Necromancers are not the fastest or most proactive troops, and Furies under Iranna, along with the corresponding Phantoms, can cause a lot of trouble.

+ The start is relatively easy, and, importantly, it's not difficult to throw enough creatures into the pit for +1 Fury (which is very beneficial in this case) + you can catch Kifrah (+250 gold and leveling up to the point of gathering troops - another +2 valuable Furies).

Ereb

16 years ago

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A Warlock with a lucky Wizard, spellcasting, and Chaos skills doesn't need to worry about being attacked too early, as the Necropolis has a weak army, and if a Fireball spell appears in the guild, the Necropolis is doomed. -> I know from experience that a Warlock can build a guild up to level 3 early on. :) But against the Necropolis, you also need tactics and mass attack speed, but prolonging the game only harms the Warlock!

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Eldarmoon

16 years ago

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I try not to rely on chaos and a lucky wizard when playing against Necropolis. The chances of success with spells are reduced for the warlock by the banshee's scream. And if there's a Dread Knight and it also manages to trigger a deadly misfortune, plus it has the right artifacts and skills, the warlock with chaos will be completely outmatched.

Ereb

16 years ago

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So, you need to have more luck, because in the artifact shop, you might find a golden horseshoe!:smile20:

Against Daedra, it's a different story; you need special approaches...even if luck doesn't help in the decisive battle, at least the mines are cleared easily, faster than with Necropolis – building becomes easier, while Necropolis might struggle with mercury and sulfur...therefore, you need to rush to the Warlock early on, especially against Daedra (preferably with an Ice Amulet or Phoenix Feathers), so even without luck, we'll still kick that bony butt!!

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Eldarmoon

16 years ago

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I agree. All of this is effective when playing a rush strategy, on small maps. I didn't specify this in my previous post; I simply meant larger maps that don't allow for a quick rush.

Мститель

16 years ago

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Once, I played as a Necromancer, took the Summoning skill, and when I summoned a Phoenix and Elementals, they skipped their turns due to low morale! (Taking leadership for a Necromancer is debatable; Phoenixes and Elementals don't belong to the undead army, and the opponent might easily have an artifact that specifically boosts morale against Necromancers and summons). And another observation: the Necromancer's super ability probably won't significantly harm the Dark Elves if you take new Minotaurs and place Furies, Assassins, Witches, and Hydras nearby (tactical skill is welcome).

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Ereb

16 years ago

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Eldarmoon

I agree. All of this is effective if you're playing a rush strategy on small maps. I didn't specify in my previous post, I just meant larger maps that don't allow for a quick rush.

UUUUU... then I don't know, if it's a large map, that means more creatures and castles, which leads to an increase in the Necropolis army... then you need to level up in Sanctuary or find more Academy castles... if there's really no other way, you can try summoning!:smile20: ...And here's something else... get Hydras into the battle as soon as possible, they are strong and durable, so even messengers are afraid to attack when they get close to enemy stacks... that's how you need to pay more attention to such units against Necropolis, especially!:smile19:

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el_miga

16 years ago

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Eldarmoon

I try not to rely on chaos and a lucky sorcerer when playing against Necropolis. The chances of success with spells are reduced for the warlock by the banshee's scream. And if there's a Dread Knight and they also trigger a deadly misfortune, plus they have the right artifacts and skills, the warlock with chaos will completely fail.

Doesn't the luck of the hero decrease from the abilities mentioned above?
I think it only affects the units.

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KGB

16 years ago

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el_miga

One-on-one battles are actually more challenging, as the AI opponents start eliminating each other, and their armies become weaker...
With Kifara, mines are usually taken in the second week, which is quite easy.
With Vaishan, you can even get crystals in the first week, and sulfur is built in the castle.
One of Kifara's main advantages is the Ice Golem! When used wisely, it's a very powerful unit! Vaishan, on the other hand, has almost uncontrollable mines!
Please provide the name of a map against Necropolis; I'll play it and share my observations.

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And 250 per day is quite good, in my opinion, considering that the Tower's army is the most expensive.

The AI plays heroes the same way as on Veteran difficulty... They just have more resources, and you have fewer... That's all the "brutality" of the AI. It's easy to play against them at any level... The only problem will be if they come to your hero in the second week, and you haven't built anything due to a resource shortage.

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Against Necropolis, I usually play with Sinistar or Vaishan and go for Chaos. By the way, I've never upgraded Summoning; I need to try upgrading Darkness.

Ereb

16 years ago

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I remember a Necromancer player from The Eastern Wastes coming to my aid around the second week, in the middle of the game, with a hundred zombies and 5 liches – it was tough...
Ideally, The Eastern Wastes shouldn't be easy to defeat at the start, so it's more about controlling the late game, but if you only have one castle, it's debatable – what if the Warlock gets a powerful spell or item?!

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