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Leolopus

16 years ago

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dwp1970

this is without any "ifs"
what difference does it make who has the generator and who generates
with random race distribution (which, by the way, is stipulated in the rules)
IRMG allows you to completely exclude the possibility of generating a mirror match, starting from version 1.27.
that's what I'm talking about

I'll explain again, not everyone has a generator, rather, most people don't. Of course, the judge can generate maps randomly himself, with the function that excludes mirror matches, but it would be much better if the players personally, one-on-one, decided this issue and took practical part in it. And since most people don't have the new generator, the random selection of races can occur according to the scheme I provided in the previous post. The players simply inform the judge about the races they have drawn, and the judge generates a map for them.

Gаstello

16 years ago

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Maybe I missed something – I don't quite understand how the mirror draft works. Players don't know which race their opponent will choose, and they pick one race. Are we playing?

immortal

16 years ago

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The discussions about mirror matches relate to the final stage of the tournament, when the factions will be determined randomly. They are quite possible in the group stage. DWP, I know that the generator allows generating without mirror matches, but to avoid any complaints that I generated a bad faction and to avoid generating maps unnecessarily, the decision on the faction arrangement has been passed on to the players. Once a map is generated, there will be no more restarts; restarts will be taken at the moment of determining the faction arrangement.

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Alex_R

16 years ago

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Question regarding the rules:
How is the issue resolved if players exceed the allotted time for the game or cannot agree at all?
One suggestion is to use a random draw, taking into account the time players indicate as their availability, but problems may still arise in the final stages.

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Leolopus

16 years ago

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Gаstello

Maybe I missed something – I don't quite understand what's going on with the mirror match... players don't know their opponent's choice and pick one faction... do we play?

In the group stage, this isn't a problem – we play)

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Alex_R

Question regarding the rules:
How is the issue resolved if players exceed the allotted time for a game or cannot agree at all?
One suggestion is to conduct a draw, taking into account the time players indicate as their possible playing time; however, problems may still arise in the final stage.

This is an age-old question, and no matter what you come up with, there will always be questions and discrepancies regarding timing. It's unlikely that this issue can be resolved 100%, but we will try to be understanding).

In reply to Leolopus

KillAndAction

16 years ago

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:eek:

I sincerely apologize!

But why was the number of participants limited?

Only 3 days have passed since the registration began (usually at least a week is given for registration)...
It would be more interesting to play if more people participated...

Why did you focus on the number of players depending on the number of factions?
I think it was possible to divide, for example, 126 players into 32 players (4 groups of 8 people) in 4 zones...
And it seems that any even number can be divided so that the equal condition for all specified in the tournament rules is observed (regarding the number of factions)
:smile32:

In reply to KillAndAction

Leolopus

16 years ago

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KillAndAction

:eek:
I sincerely apologize!
But why was the number of participants limited?
I think it would have been possible to divide, for example, 126 players into 32 players (4 groups of 8 people) in 4 zones...:smile32:

Your profuse apologies are accepted; I think that when you organize and run a tournament with 126 players, you will understand that it's not about the quantity, but the quality!

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Smerti_PO

16 years ago

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Leolopus

My apologies, I think when you organize and run a tournament with 126 players, you'll understand that it's not about quantity, but about quality!

The point is that some pretty good players didn't make it. :D Although, ultimately, they can only blame themselves (they could have registered earlier).

immortal

16 years ago

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Well, as practice shows, there are still some players who don't participate actively, so there's a good chance that the reserve players will be included in the main lineup. If you create many groups with few players in each, the group stage becomes predictable and therefore uninteresting. That's why it was done this way...

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sir_moz

16 years ago

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immortal

Well, they haven't disappeared yet; as practice shows, there are still careless players who don't play, so there's a high probability that the reserves will be included in the main lineup. If you create many groups, but with few people in each, the group stage becomes predictable, and therefore uninteresting. That's why it was done this way...

yes, it's a very unpredictable result.

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Leolopus

16 years ago

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sir_moz

yes, that would make the result very unpredictable.

To make the result less predictable, you would have to prevent about ten players from participating in the tournament, but that's absurd, so once again, I don't understand the reason for your sarcasm.

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denden

16 years ago

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8*4 is of course 32, but 6*6 is 36, right?)

immortal

16 years ago

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How do you choose 8 people from 6 groups?

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sir_moz

16 years ago

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And Killa suggested dividing the players into 2 categories and holding a tournament for different categories. And the result will really be unpredictable.

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Leolopus

16 years ago

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sir_moz

Kill suggested dividing the players into 2 categories and holding a tournament for different categories. And then the result will really be unpredictable.

So, use Kill's advice when organizing your tournament, but this tournament is already running in the format that has been determined. Strange people, they just need something to pick at:D

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