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What do 3.59 and HotA have to do with it?
Are Heroes 3 with 3D graphics the same as Heroes 5?
Why create a 3D game when Heroes 5 already exists?
Because everything that was done in 3.58 (and is being done in HotA, in 3.59) would look much more interesting in a three-dimensional game. And "Heroes 5" seems more interesting (at least to me) just because it's three-dimensional, compared to the WoG versions. Modern games should be three-dimensional. And I think that many people don't play "Heroes 3" or "3.59," preferring "Heroes 5," just because of the graphics. Explain to me, what's the point of creating a game with outdated graphics? I understand that there are still people (though almost none left) whose computers can't handle "Heroes 5." But in a year, there will be very few of them left. And they, after finally playing the three-dimensional "Heroes," won't play the two-dimensional version anymore. At least, almost no one will.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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It would look much more interesting in a 3D game.
Why? Please explain, I don't understand. :)
And I think that many people don't play "part 3" or "3.59", preferring "part 5" to them, only because of the graphics.
Hmm, it's a pity that the search function doesn't work in the off-topic section; I would have provided a very suitable quote.
I understand that there are still people (there are almost none left) whose computer can't handle "part 5". But in a year, there will be only a few of them left. And they, having finally played the 3D "Heroes", will no longer play the 2D ones.
Grand Theft Auto IV runs perfectly without any lag. I play part 3, and I don't care about part 5.
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Why? Please explain, I don't understand :)

Hmm, it's a pity that the search function doesn't work in the off-topic section; I would have quoted a very relevant passage.

Grand Theft Auto IV runs perfectly smoothly. I'm playing the third one, and I don't care about the fifth.

But how will you understand if you only took a piece of the sentence out of context? "It would look much more interesting in a three-dimensional game." What would look much more interesting? And I don't understand. I said, "Everything that was done in WoG 3.58 would look much more interesting in a three-dimensional game." And, to clarify, it's more interesting compared to a two-dimensional game. And I'm not comparing it to anything else. Only to a two-dimensional game. And why is it more interesting? Simply because of the new technologies: Shader Model 4, which is only supported by DirectX 10.1 (wetting surfaces, volumetric lighting, improved "physics," etc.) and other technologies (which probably exist, but I haven't looked into them much), which cannot be implemented on a flat "image."
I would like to see the quote.
And again, there's no single sentence. It also says, "At least almost no one will play it." "Almost" doesn't mean that no one will play it; some people will play it, but there will be few of them. And their number will not increase; it will decrease. Why will it decrease? Conduct an experiment: find a child who has never played computer games and let them play "the fifth," and after a while, let them play "the third." Then, let them choose on their own which game they want to play. If, by chance, they choose "the third" (or 3.58) and after a day or two, they don't go back to "the fifth," then I will consider that I am wrong in my theoretical assumptions.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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The third game, the fifth... People are still playing the second one. So, graphics aren't the most important thing. Moreover, you can't convey the atmosphere of the game with graphics. Graphics can only enhance the first impression. After all, many people, chasing after beautiful visuals in a game, get bored and abandon it once they understand the gameplay, because there's nothing else behind that amazing graphics.

It's a different matter to implement the same gameplay in new graphics without changing anything else... Not only is it almost impossible, but not everyone will accept it. It still won't be the same. Many are used to what exists, and there will be more criticism than approval.
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Goodness, many people (including myself) still play on Sega emulators, enjoying games like Sonic, Mortal Kombat, and others. So, your "Almost" will likely not happen anytime soon. For example, I recently got a new computer system about a month ago. I recorded almost forty different games with good graphics, and more than half of them turned out to be boring compared to the old games. By the way, regarding the fourth GTA. It feels like it was made for people who are using a computer for the first time. I practically completed everything on the first try. In this regard, SA was better.
I would like to see a quote.
-Of course, there are plenty of "spoiled" gamers who only want great graphics, and if the graphics are bad, they immediately start throwing insults.
-These aren't gamers; they're complete noobs.
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My friend, many people (including myself) still play Sonic, Mortal Kombat, and other games on Sega emulators. So, your "Almost" will definitely not happen soon.
For example, I got a new computer about a month ago. I installed almost forty different games with good graphics, and more than half of them turned out to be boring compared to the old games.
By the way, regarding GTA IV. It feels like it was made for people who are using a computer for the first time. I practically completed everything on the first try. In this regard, SA was better.
How many is "many"? Are there more of them or fewer than those who don't play anything on emulators? Was an experiment conducted with a child? What are the results (if it was conducted)? Are you sure about "definitely not soon"? How many years are we talking about? 10-20? If it's less than seven, I think it will happen soon. Or maybe you will play on emulators for 10-20 years out of principle?
Regarding the quote - this is not directed at me. I don't dismiss games with outdated graphics; I just regret that they aren't being made with modern graphics.
I don't know what you installed, but maybe you were going through a "bad phase" in your life, and many of the games you installed were indeed not very good. Something similar could have happened to me if I had installed forty or more 2D games and more than half of them turned out to be uninteresting.
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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How many is "many"? Is it more or less than those who don't play anything on emulators? Was an experiment conducted with a child? What were the results (if it was conducted)? Are you sure about "not soon"? How many years is that? 10-20? If it's less than seven, I think it's soon.
Regarding the quote - that's not about me. I don't throw anything at games with outdated graphics; I just regret that they aren't made with modern graphics.

Many means many. :D Although I don't play anything on emulators because I've only seen game consoles in stores, I always enjoy playing UFO1 and Fallout2 despite the graphics of modern versions. And I prefer Heroes 3 to the fifth installment, as do many of my friends. I won't speak for others, but the fact that these games are still not forgotten, even with their original graphics, says a lot! ;)

And the fact that people are still making mods and new versions of Heroes 3 and WOG is another proof that graphics don't determine everything. I really liked how Rift wrote -
Rift
It would be better to ask - "Why do you play the other Heroes games if there's Homm3?""))

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Okay, fine. Let's compare the player activity and the number of tournaments on HW for Heroes of Might and Magic III and Heroes of Might and Magic V. I think that will clarify things.
Regarding the quote – that wasn't directed at me. I don't criticize games with outdated graphics; I simply regret that they aren't being made with modern graphics.
But, as I understand it, you prefer many games over others simply because of their graphics, right?
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Okay, fine. Let's compare the player activity and the number of tournaments on HW for the third and fifth installments. I think that will clarify a lot.
That's a poor comparison. Different audiences play these games. Players have been playing the third installment for years! And not just online. So, the third installment simply has strong traditions that, by definition, cannot exist in the fifth. By the way, in the first year, the fifth installment was very popular, and the turnout was high.


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1) Reread the official statements from the Professor.
2) Heroes 5 is a prime example of how 3D can ruin an entire game. The same goes for Demigods.
3) Creating mods with new graphics is more expensive.
4) The real issue is the popularization of projects.
5) Not all computers can support Heroes 4, let alone 5. And Heroes 2 can even be played on a smartphone.
6) For some reason, having played all the Heroes games from 1 to 5, I can confidently say that the best ones are 3 and 2, followed by 5.
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1) Please reread the official statements of the Professor.
2) Heroes 5 is a prime example of how 3D can ruin the entire game. The same goes for the Demiurges.
3) Making mods with new graphics is more expensive for yourself.
4) In reality, it's about popularizing projects.
5) Not all computers can support Heroes 4, let alone 5. And Heroes 2 can even be played on a smartphone.
6) For some reason, after playing all the Heroes games from 1 to 5, I confidently say that the best ones are 3 and 2, followed by 5.

Is this just a collection of slogans?
1) Can you provide a link?
2) Who said that 3D ruined the game? Is it really the 3D that ruined it?
3) I don't understand anything about mods. What does "more expensive for yourself" mean? Well, yes, making a mod for a 3D game is probably more difficult. So what? Should we abandon 3D games?
4) I also don't understand the point about popularization.
5) But the point about computers is clear))). If you want, you can find a "286" with a clock speed of 100 MHz, on which "Heroes 3" also won't run (I started with, I think, 200 MHz, and "Heroes 3" ran on it, but it was VERY slow).
6) I have no idea why this happened. Maybe the problem lies within yourself. Or maybe in the environment. I personally find it difficult to determine the cause.

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Okay. Fine. Compare the activity of players and the number of Tournaments on HW for Heroes 3 and Heroes 5. I think many things will become clear.

But, as I understand it, you prefer many games to others simply because of the graphics, right?

So what? I never said that "Heroes 3" is bad. I said that it would be nice if "Heroes 3 (3.58, 3.59)" were in 3D. If they were in 3D, I wouldn't play "Heroes 5" either. But "Heroes 5", in my opinion, is not so bad that I would prefer it to "Heroes 3" (3.58, 3.59). I asked some people why they play "Heroes 3" (3.58, 3.59, "Heroes 4") but don't play "Heroes 5" - no one answered that they play only because they think "Heroes 3" or other versions are better than "Heroes 5". They said that either their computer can't handle it, or they don't know how to play. I'll immediately say that I didn't ask many people. There are probably also true FANS of "Heroes 3" (probably, they can be compared to football fans). Probably (again) they will always play "Heroes 3" (although I highly doubt it).
I don't play many games. I only play NHL, FIFA, and "Heroes". Sometimes - "Spore". Yes, I will prefer a game with modern graphics to a game with outdated graphics (even if that game is slightly more interesting than a 3D game).
ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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The most important thing is the IDEA. Without an idea, no matter how good the graphics are, there is no game. For a true player, graphics are secondary. You can draw an analogy with a beautiful woman. She's beautiful, everyone likes her, like a shiny coin, but after a couple of minutes of talking to her, when you realize that she's as dumb as a 180-degree angle, you immediately feel a strong aversion. This is just a slight exaggeration. Never will flashy 3D overshadow the Idea.
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