Posts from Best of HeroesWorld - final of the strongest (autumn 2009)

Why argue about nothing?
For example, 22:00 Moscow time is 1 AM for me. And how am I supposed to play a tournament match without postponing it? :eek: Am I supposed to sit down almost in a sleepy state and fall asleep at the keyboard?

The problem is that some people demand exactly this and have no doubts about their rightness. :confused:

The most logical solution in this case is to give both players a loss.

Well, if both players are unable to play, then such a decision can be accepted, but then there arises a motivation to, at worst, make a fictitious draw or somehow cheat – which is not entirely good. And if one player cannot play physically, and the other simply doesn't want to, then giving 0.5 points to each is more acceptable, although not entirely fair. Giving both players a "0" is logical only if both are unwilling to play, and even then, it's better to try to change the opponent, etc. But if one side is unwilling to play or it's simply impossible to come to an agreement, then other approaches are needed to solve the problem. The worst option is 0.5; even in this scenario, in 50% of cases, the more interested player will miss out on 0.5 possible points, and the less interested player will receive 0.5 possible points. But in such a situation, giving both the less interested players a loss, we completely punish them, while the interested player loses 1 possible point. I have often encountered such difficult negotiations, and I can almost 100% tell what the opponent wants. If we immediately agreed (although this was more of a last resort, as you made a compromise and now it's clear that you won't do it anymore), then, for example, in the situation with Vigo, he made it clear that he doesn't want to play against me – that is, he agrees to his "0" or to changing the opponent, but the organizer decided that he simply doesn't want to give me a "1" point and won't change the opponent... and began to put pressure on us in every possible way, saying that if you don't agree, you'll both get a loss... in principle, Vigo shouldn't have become more interested, which means this is blackmail against me – you want points, play at an inconvenient time. When it came to the point that the organizer picked a time for Vigo to play with other players at a time that was convenient for me, he naturally started using this as leverage, and his blackmail seemed to gain official rights, but I personally want to note that this was not right on Pete's part, because it is a personal matter for everyone to schedule tournament games at the same time – and sometimes they may even play at a different time. As far as I understand, Vigo was not avoiding the game – he simply cannot play serious tournament games at night, and he plays fun games or in a league with a weaker opponent, and no one has the right to force him to do so – it's just a matter of stating that if he doesn't want to agree, then it's "0". But Vigo did everything to help the organizer and immediately offered himself a "0," which showed his adequacy and honesty. But I still don't understand why the organizer's head started to hurt, when everything was done for him, and Pete will confirm that I repeatedly tried to tell him this, to which he eventually replied that he doesn't have very strong grounds for a technical loss – that I need to get 3 rejections from Vigo, and then he will give me 1 point. I immediately said that this is idiotic – to bother a person who refused himself, but in the end, I gathered, it seems, 2 rejections. I sent the logs to Pete and, just in case, to our judge, vbn. I don't know if all this information reached the AC when Pete submitted the request (he was obliged to pass on the information)... but after that, a representative of the AC (LeBron) tells me that it was decided to give both players a "0," and "what other decision could be made?". So, excuse me, players of the trio – I'm in shock. There is, of course, the option that Pete, due to his enormous workload, etc., did not pay close attention to this issue, did not receive my messages or information... did not pass all this on to the AC... or simply got overheated, but I don't really believe that. Pete does a lot, he may make minor mistakes, although he denies this, but here there was a clear blunder that went unnoticed by everyone, because everyone saw his fanatical attitude towards this, which means the problem lies in the actions of the AC.

The point is that some people demand exactly this and have no doubts about their rightness :confused:

Such demands will be rejected! It's not a good idea to play a serious game until late at night.
I will never believe that you can't agree on something in six months!

As a last resort, you can play from 10 PM to 11 PM Moscow time - one hour a day, and that's it. There are many options.

That's exactly the point – some people demand this and have no doubts about their own rightness :confused:

Yes, it's about being right – but how do you prove that "human time" coincides with the priority, and why should you or someone else be the one to decide? ... Everyone has their own time zone and daily routine.
I live in the Kyiv time zone, and every day my schedule is such that I can't dedicate at least 3 hours in a row to playing until 10 PM. And I don't want to play in short bursts and with partial availability. I sit down calmly when I have nothing else to do and can play until I'm exhausted, including sacrificing sleep, because I also prefer to sleep at night... I just need 3-5 hours of sleep a day, and I take advantage of that, trying to play as much as possible, although sometimes it's hard to stay awake for 40-45 hours without sleep – but that's my problem, and if someone needs more – they need to sleep 8-10 hours every day – that's their problem, I'm not forcing anyone.

Man, I'm reading your posts...
It doesn't seem like this is "Best of the World."
I don't believe that if someone really wants to, they can't find time in a week or two to play a game. Everyone has things to do, some during the day, some at night. Someone can then make concessions, why not?
If you can't agree, it's a zero for both, so why the 0.5?
If someone is really stirring up trouble, let the AC (Administration Committee) deal with it, and decide who's at fault. That's what they were chosen for.
Take a look at "Novichok-2009." I don't know why, but everything is played on time. If something isn't played, it gets a zero, and not a single person complains. But I'm ashamed of you.

P.S.: And who, for example, will play with me from 4 PM Moscow time until they drop? I'm fine with that. Are there any willing participants?

If some tournament brings us together, I'm okay with playing at 4:00 AM Moscow time on a Saturday or Sunday; I'll just go to bed earlier in the evening and I have an alarm clock.

Such requests will be rejected!

Oh no, according to the current rules, there's even a loophole for me in the form of weekends and holidays during nighttime... before, the regulations could be used to remove me from any tournament, but now, try other methods... Here's how AK uses a new method.
P.S. Okay, you can rant as much as you want... I'll personally wait for a response from Pete and AK.

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Check out "Novichok-2009". I don't know why, but all games are played on time. If a game isn't played, it shows as "0," and no one even says a word. But I'm ashamed of you.

Let's be precise to the end, for example, the "0" in Pete's, LeBron's, etc., games against Vitalik doesn't mean they didn't play - although they also couldn't find time to play, but for some reason, no one complained. This is where the hidden interest lies.

2Cash, you're awesome!

In general, I won't argue anymore – I'll state my firm position: I played all 7 tournament games (I only couldn't finish one due to unsolvable technical issues on the opponent's side), and I managed to reach an agreement with everyone without any problems. I won't play matches from 10 PM until late, but if the Tournament Committee decides to penalize me for that, I promise not to argue. That's it.

What exactly are you dissatisfied with, Alex? You look like some spoiled child who didn't get enough attention, ugh, it's disgusting to watch. Look at Pete, for example, he didn't even make the top ten, and he didn't say a word, even though he deserves more recognition than some others. And this person is still working, making life easier for you and me, and doing a good job, just like the entire AK team. We should all thank them, but you're complaining about some machine. You should be ashamed.
As others have said, if there's a will, there's always time to play. Apparently, you just don't have the desire.

What exactly are you dissatisfied with, Alex?

Let's not make subjective conclusions about who resembles whom. I'm not asking for anything unusual. And I explained my dissatisfaction in detail and clearly (too lazy to read? - then don't ask).

For example, Pete didn't even make the top ten and didn't say a word, even though he deserves a higher ranking than some.

Well, why didn't he give up his spot?
Everyone loves to criticize and cite other people's achievements, but not everyone is willing to do something themselves.

A little off-topic:D

Wlk777 (blue, Castle, Valeska, Valeska) def. NumOne (red, Swamp, Wistan, Wistan) 2smd4 (3) 125, 7 turns
When I had no more resources left, the distribution was very interesting: a GO (Guardian of Order) on rough terrain, medium roads, stables in front of the castle, and most importantly, 2 Hives near the capital, guarded by 5-9 group units and 10-19 group units of Gorgons, and a reserve (all of this is very close to the capital). The first week was tough - a total of 21 Marks were distributed, and no buildings were constructed at the start. The respawn points were small and poor. In general, the result of the first week was a secondary Barbarian camp with Rushers in the fort, and horses in the fort in the capital. At the beginning of the second week, I found a Pandora on 10k experience, immediately got an experience log and advanced armor, found a stash of Marks. Then, within walking distance, Wistan appeared - oh dear, I wasn't ready for a fight at all, but I got lucky - Wistan passed by - I felt much better. Then, in 2 turns, I took the Consulate (it turned out to be a minimal one), and both Hives (on turns 4 and 6). I felt more confident and headed towards my opponent. He attacked himself, but Valeska was more developed, and her basic accuracy didn't give Wistan a chance to win, despite the Mass Slow and Mass Stone Skin spells and the superior number of Lizards. Thanks for the game.

7th round
Wlk777 (blue, Castle, Valeska, Valeska) def NumOne (red, Fortress, Wystan, Wystan) 2smd4(3) 125

I confirm.
My spawn also had unbuilt arrow towers, but two flies arrived. I cast View Air — I see an external dwelling of hydras (guarded by up to 99 gr. demons) and lizardmen. A bit later I found another external dwelling of ducks guarded by up to 50 gr. basilisks, together with a +5 Cuirass. I couldn't break through the first one, and beyond it there was a passage to the secondary zone — snow. I saw green dragons on the roadless terrain, thinking it was a second guard, since on one road there were up to 49 gr. orcs guarding a Pandora's Box. I assumed there was a map object behind them and decided not to push. I never found a wood mine :( So only 1-6, without 5 in the citadel.
On day 121 — 58 gr. lizardmen, 4 ducks, and a few weaklings break through 44 gr. basilisks. I take the external dwelling of ducks, move onto the snow, cast View — Griffin Conservatory — a Tarrasque (as I later checked, level 4). I capture the Tower, a Crypt, a mini Medusa dwelling, and realize that this is the passage to the blue base, and the dragons are the only map object. Guard — up to 49 gr. Medusas on the road, and pokemon on roadless terrain. I decided to hold off and first buy a spell book, luckily I already had Advanced Earth. I cast View Air along the way and see Val clearing a Dragon Fly Hive and, after breaking through the pokemon, landing very close to me. Although Val's army was bigger and Valentin's hero was stronger, I decided to attack, having first brought up basilisks and a couple of gr. flies, and having Mass Slow with -8 spell power. I couldn't overcome it. Roughly equal numbers of shooters remained on both sides, but 4 of Valentin's ducks survived and blocked my lizardmen.

Thanks for the game and good luck in future games!

a) On weekdays – after 6:00 PM Kyiv time, on weekends – except at night.
b) There is no need to introduce a rest period on slow roads.
d) 387093098.

Thank you, I have added it to the first post.

Why ask for ICQ every time? Don't you have these numbers?

But somehow, almost in every tournament, participants ask this, especially newcomers. And the organizers answer – I am very lazy))), I don’t want to dig through profiles and other tournaments… It seems that it would be easier for everyone to write their own number, and I can just copy it instead of looking for all the participants. Okay, there are only 10 of you here. Sorry for bothering you.

It would be better to schedule games on weekends because work is really exhausting.

Thank you, I have added it. Next, there are many questions from Alex, which, in terms of meaning, fall into two parts. The first part concerns an unfair decision by the Arbitration Committee regarding two matches. All questions about AK decisions should be posted in: /topic/6122/ I answered there: /topic/at/274256/. There is no need to go off-topic here; it interferes. Questions about tournament rules should be posted in: /topic/6162/ We are currently discussing the preferred time for games. The second part concerns this tournament. I still don't understand whether you will play in it or not? There seems to be a registration, but it is incomplete:

a) From 10:00 PM Moscow time any day, but it’s best to agree beforehand. Very rarely at another time by individual agreement. Against postponing a match.
b); c) *did not find the question*
d) 466212416

To find b) and c), one had to read the entire first post. The other participants managed that.

b) Regarding 8mm6 and Jebus cross – should we introduce a mandatory rest period on slow roads? (if 6 or more participants vote for it, we will introduce it)
c) - the issue has been resolved.

Please decide on your participation. All players have 4 months to arrange and play their matches. Arrange everything in the thread and play! It is interesting that even before the start of the tournament, four matches were already played. Apparently, there are those who want to play (Andrey has already played 3!), rather than compete for points... Problems with arranging a game? Okay, contact me – I will schedule a time – weekends from 11 AM to 11 PM. If someone doesn't show up within an hour, they lose by default; if both don't show up, both lose by default. I won’t monitor you at other times. I sleep at night, and I am not going to give up this stupid habit, even for a date with Besta players. I already don’t have enough time for games; I just keep track of who plays when and with whom… I am ashamed of the players... The results will not be posted here until the end of the tournament. Only in case of agreement through me and non-appearance. On November 30, all those who have played 4 or fewer games will be disqualified, and the results of the played matches will be annulled. Read about Berger's coefficient.

There's no need to engage in off-topic discussions here; it's disruptive.

It seems like you're bothered by certain types of off-topic discussions, while others, including trolling, indirect insults, and defamation, are considered acceptable.

Please clarify your participation.

I don't know how the situation in the neighboring thread will end, but it's already enough for me to step aside and give my place to someone MORE WORTHY.
And considering that the current regulations and the composition of the participants create significant difficulties in enjoying the tournament, I will gladly give up my place.

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...What a coincidence... that you, Pit, ended up being the 11th. Let's see what comes of it...

LeBron (blue, Swamp, Tazar, Tazar) def bRitvo4kA (red, barb, Gurni, Gurni) 224 2sm4d(3)

It was a very tough game. Wystan came and an external dwelling of Lizards was nearby, and they weren't built. I immediately spotted another external dwelling of Lizards and 2 Dwarf Cottages — sehr gut.
On the first day I broke into the underground and then onto the surface. I stuck a 1-6 in the Citadel.
On the second day I took 2 Dragon Fly Hives, 3 Naga Banks, a Griffin Conservatory with tier 3 and went to the book of air in the treasure zone.
On the third day I took the book of air and cleared the treasure zone.
On day 136 a Dragon Utopia with +3 all dropped.
Day 137 the red capital was taken.
Then I stalled as usual, let Gurni pull an army from a secondary hero, but I was lucky that he didn't have an army to take the Dragon Utopia, which I got — there was a book of earth for Earth expertise.
After that we ran around for a very long time, but in the end full control, an army advantage, and shackles decided it.
Thank you for the game!