Posts from SoY-5: Online Tournaments "Seasons of year" - "Seasons" - Spring Season 2009 Auto-translated

I'm just keeping quiet about the "Hey! Wanna play?" message, barely holding back hysterical laughter:D :

This is a suggestion to play a game right now, and it's hard to call it an agreement. Maybe it's a mass message sent to the entire contact list?

For me, the most convenient time to play is 5-10 AM Moscow time (8-1 PM for me). Let me write to everyone in ICQ at that time. "Hi, wanna play?", and then I'll complain that no one answered and keep demanding it. Is that okay?

+1 to Kostyan, but honestly, I don't understand what the problem is. Personally, I've always been able to quickly arrange games with both Andrey and Petr (we participated in the same tournament together), and I don't understand what prevented them from playing. Sure, Andrey wasn't available for 2 weeks, but there was plenty of time before that... Both are normal people and active players, so accusations against either of them of trying to avoid playing are ridiculous. I assume that both were not responsible enough in their participation in the tournament, and I hope this won't happen again in the future. Good luck to everyone... And have a good game! =)

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For me, the most convenient time to play is 5-10 am Moscow time (8-13 am for me).

Can you at least play a TC3 tournament with me at that time? :D

Kostya, how exactly do you arrange tournament matches? No one knew about Andrey's departure, and there's been no reaction. Dirty +1 – for me, it's 12 AM; those who have played with me know that I might message at 2 AM with a simple "hello, want to play?". And I know that's not normal, so we need to arrange a time for the game. But to message someone with an offer for a game when they might not even be home, and then demand a win – that's more than strange.
Regarding those scores – set all the scores to zero in games involving these players. What will change?

A lot will change :) Just both didn't play, and it's not that one is to blame and the other isn't (both are to blame)... Just give everyone zero points and that's it...

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Andrey, why didn't you write in the tournament thread that you tried to play with everyone? The results are displayed this way because the tournament is called: SoY Spring 2009!! It's already more than halfway through summer. How much longer should we wait? And in general, in such cases, when opponents leave the game, you need to write on the forum, not wait until the last moment.

Interesting... I don't see anyone eager to play and writing in this thread :) It's somehow not adequate how you decided everything.

Kostya, how exactly do you arrange tournament matches? No one knew about Andrey's departure, and there's no reaction to it.

I still don't understand – Andrey left in the middle of summer, and the tournament is called (see the title). I had about 2 days to play with Andrey, and I arranged it perfectly, and the match turned out to be quite interesting... which is what I wish for others as well ;) :cool:

In general, we've clearly strayed into something completely wrong. There's absolutely no constructive dialogue. Perhaps the most reasonable solution was proposed by Avern. We can do it this way:
Let's consider the "Seasons - Spring 2009" tournament as the first of two stages of a single "Seasons - 2009" tournament. We'll hold the second stage in the fall. We'll determine the winner based on the combined results of these two tournaments. We'll award ranking points for participation in both stages – only for the games played. 2 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, and 0 points for a loss. Unplayed games will not be scored. This is how it was during Adelaide's time.
Then, we can now summarize the results of the first – spring – stage, award points to all participants, and continue the games in September.
If this option suits the participants of the Spring SOY, then let's conclude the spring season with this.

Adelaide had a very good tradition – to arrange games in a forum thread. Both opponents had to post about the agreed-upon time for the game and the chosen map at least 24 hours before the game. If someone is more than 1 hour late, they receive a technical defeat. This was very convenient for both players and the organizer. Perhaps we should revive this tradition.

You guys are wrong to think that I'll try to claim technical victories just to get a medal. I don't like this situation myself. But if we want to bring order to the tournaments, we need to learn to adhere to deadlines, both for participants and organizers.

Zhenya, it's not just about one game between me and Britvochka. Alex and Britvochka haven't played a total of 8 games. If you now decide to extend the tournament, you need to set a deadline of at least a month and a half, because Alex hasn't returned from vacation yet, and he has 5 games left to play. But someone else among the remaining finalists might also leave; people don't expect endless extensions. The tournament should take place within a reasonable timeframe. And that will already be in September...

You guys are wrong to think that I would attribute any technical victories to myself just for the sake of a medal.

I don't think so, and I think everyone agrees with me (well, at least those who know Peter and generally understand what's going on) ;)

Adelaide had a very good tradition – arranging a game in the forum thread. Both opponents had to post about the agreed-upon time for the game and the chosen map at least 24 hours before the game.

Ah, if only I knew in advance which map I would be playing on! I would analyze it millimeter by millimeter.
By the way, shouldn't we discuss which maps we will play on in the fall? Just to change the subject. :)

Ah, if only I knew which map I would be playing on in advance! I would analyze it millimeter by millimeter.
By the way, isn't it time to discuss which maps we will be playing on in the fall? Just to change the subject. :)

Don't try to catch people out; of course, we're talking about the template. And Sm-ka is still the most popular, with over 90% of online games. I can't speak for others, but I'll say that I personally like this template the most. Maybe 8MM6 as well, but I don't like the fact that money and resources just lie on the ground and you just have to pick them up; you can just put out a unit and save time.
All of the above is just my personal opinion ;)

Knowing about his trip...

I found out about his departure a day before it.

So, where is the truth? Did he know or not?
On page 18, a deadline for the games was set. At the end of the deadline, given the situation, the elected executive body made a decision on how to proceed. That's it. I suggest involving the Tournament Committee to resolve this issue, because they were chosen for a reason, and I don't see any point in trying to prove anything. If agreeing on a tournament offline and using phrases like "hello, let's team up" is considered normal, what is there to argue about?

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I don't think a tournament on fixed maps will take place on the Competitive mode.

,and even greeting with "hello, let's play" should be considered normal. What is there to argue about?

I won't argue, but when I received such a message and knew I had a tournament, I immediately figured out what was going on, and as a result, we had a rather interesting game. I wish the same for everyone else ;)

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I don't think the tournament on fixed maps will be played on the "SM" (Single Map).:-D

It's really funny to compare templates and fixed maps :D

So, where is the truth? Did he know or not?

He knew about the possible trip, and there was a 50% chance he would go, and the final decision was made the day before. Out of the 5 weeks allocated for the game (June 1st - July 5th), I was absent for only 3 days, during which I wasn't offered any games and only received one proposal during that entire time from SpiriTT, but at that moment, I had already started playing with someone else. I had also made repeated offers to my opponents to play beforehand. And then I see on the forum that I was given a strict warning for missing the deadline, assigned technical penalties, and threatened with punitive measures. Is this, in your opinion, considered normal and fair?

I guess I don't understand anything. Let AK or someone else figure it out. Sometimes it's one day, sometimes a week. Sometimes he was away from the 2nd to the 17th, sometimes only for 3 days. Isn't he confusing himself? My question – why wasn't the organizer informed about the absence, which has already been asked for the third time – is still valid.

What don't you understand? Read more carefully or reread it. I wrote everything clearly. I'll repeat it specifically for you: I was away from July 2nd to July 17th. From July 2nd (when I left) to July 5th (the last day of the tournament), how many days will there be? - 3.

In my opinion, the results, and therefore the end of the tournament, were announced on July 16th.

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And yet another question was ignored...