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Offline Тяжелый случай
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I agree. In my opinion, it's unnecessary to display players who have played 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 games.

Therefore, players like Smoke, Decontaminator, Dream, Forrest, Scorp, VBN, and many others will be excluded from the ranking. The fact that six out of the top twenty players don't have the required number of games is already significant.
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They won't appear; the information will be stored but not displayed separately. But once a certain number of games are played, voilà, and they'll be back in the table.

Pros: 1. Motivation to play at least 5 games or more (to be displayed in the ranking).
2. Inactive players will disappear (the ranking will only show actively playing players).
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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A difficult situation
Thus, Smoke, Decontaminator, Dream, Forrest, Scorp, WBN, and many others are removed from the ranking... It's enough that six people from the top twenty don't have the required number of games.
Here, we still need to decide what kind of ranking table we have – a seasonal one or a general one based on the results of all games? If it's a general one, the limit of 5 games will remain, but if it's a seasonal table, the lower limit should be one game, in my opinion.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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It seems we have already decided that our rating is non-resetting, at least within a year, i.e., 4 seasons.
We are continuing the discussion regarding the hiding of inactive players. In the meantime, I will fix obvious shortcomings, including those with draws. The rating for them was credited correctly, as suggested by the esteemed bRitvo4kA.
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Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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Offline Дубровин Павел
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What I would like to say:

A new rating calculation system has been tested.
We can discuss the pros and cons of this system.

Pros:
1. Considering all factors, it still offers greater objectivity.

Cons:
1. Purely subjectively, it feels unfair that a loss immediately deducts three times more points than a victory, especially when the victory is not against easy opponents.

The fact that the rating is permanent is good, but as Wlk777 rightly pointed out, it would be great to have a seasonal rating based on the new system as well.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Here's a question... How long do I need to take a break from the games for my terrible rating to reset, and for me to become a noob again with 1500? (and not a super-noob with 1300 like I am now :D).
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Personally, I'm mostly satisfied with everything.
The top players are at the top, the newbies are at the bottom – that's how it should be, I guess. My 160th place clearly shows me my place and how much I've degraded lately (it seems like not so long ago we were competing with Valkyrie somewhere around the same rank...), and how long a journey I have ahead of me to conquer the top (years and years...). In general, I don't really care.

What bothers me is this: if Ferz 17 (1-2 matches this season) asks me why he's 35 places lower than player [St] (0-3, no wins in any season) after defeating him, I don't know how to explain it to him. This is just one example. Just some thoughts out loud, nothing more.

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Purely subjectively, it's frustrating that a loss immediately takes away three times more points than a win against a far from simple opponent.
Pasha is right. I even feel a bit uncomfortable playing against him – what if I win by some random chance...? Luckily, I'm still having some luck – I lose, but what if Kostyan and I suddenly start playing really well? I'm afraid that then no one will want to play against us. Dreams, dreams...
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Personally, I am not satisfied with this point-scoring system. At least because the points should be earned, and not awarded immediately with 1,500 points. There were drawbacks, but it was clearly visible who was declining and how many games each player lost. And the number of games played is not taken into account... Of course, I have played more games than anyone else in this season, and it is a little unpleasant when players with a similar win/loss ratio as mine, but with a much smaller number of games played, are ranked higher!!!!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Offline Дубровин Павел
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Personally, I'm almost satisfied with everything.
The top players are in the top positions, the newbies are at the bottom – that's how it should be, I guess. My 160th place clearly shows me my place and how much I've degraded lately (it seems like not so long ago, we were competing with Vlk somewhere nearby...), and how long a journey I have ahead of me to conquer the top (years and years...).

I want to say... looking at the games I played with Vitya, when I reviewed them... I'm just convinced that it won't be long (I think about 2 months) before Vitya starts dominating everyone, because his gameplay deserves only positive feedback. :smile20: He's just a little unlucky right now, but that will soon end.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Offline Wlk777
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Dubrovin Pavel
I want to say... after reviewing the games I played with Vitya, I am absolutely convinced that it will only take a little time (I think about 2 months) and Vitya will be beating everyone, because his gameplay deserves only positive feedback. :smile20: He's just a little unlucky right now, but that will soon change.
+1. I am also absolutely sure that Viktor just needs a little more luck; he plays very, very well. I wish him (and everyone else) good matchups and successful games.
Всем удачи ! И Морали !
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For me, the rating is valuable because you click on your nickname, and voila, you see who you defeated and how many times you were defeated. :D
The same applies when preparing for a duel with someone; you look at who your future opponent has played with, how many times they won, and which faction they prefer.
And have you noticed, esteemed and knowledgeable heroes, that 30% of the most active players play almost 90% of the seasonal games among themselves?
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For me, the rating is valuable because you click on your nickname, and voila, you see who you took a scalp from and how many times you were defeated. :D
The same applies when preparing for a duel with someone; you look at who your future opponent has played with, how many times they won, and which faction they prefer.
And have you noticed, esteemed and skilled heroes, that 30% of the most active players play almost 90% of the seasonal games among themselves?

and another 30-40-50% don't even get mentioned, for example, Sanal is one of the best gamers on HW, but he plays purely for fun.

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+1. I also absolutely believe that Viktor simply lacks luck; he plays very, very well. I wish him (and everyone else) good draws and successful games ;)

and faith in himself.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Offline Wlk777
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I'm also glad that Vitaly responded so quickly to my suggestion about the seasonal ranking, but I think there's still room for improvement – after all, the points for the seasonal ranking should be calculated based on the overall ranking, and not the seasonal one, because if some strong player has been away for a month, it doesn't make it any easier to beat them, but they get fewer seasonal points for winning against them. IMHO.
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Question.
What does the star (*) after the template name in the table mean?
And what do two plus signs mean, for example, "++19.3", in the points column?
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Tournament games are marked with an asterisk (*) when specifying the template.
Furthermore, "++19.3" means nothing; it's a bug in the program when calculating draws. Currently, there are clarifications regarding games where the players' colors were not specified (tournament games and Alex_R's games). So, in the near future, the Summer 2009 ranking will be slightly edited, including the "++" entries. At a minimum, the changes will not affect the top 3 positions. :) And finally... It has been suggested several times to introduce an automatic ranking system, similar to the Dreamcatcher system and the one currently being implemented on HP. Personally, I have always declined, arguing that remembering and writing from scratch in PHP would take more time than spending 12-16 hours each off-season updating the ranking in a semi-automatic mode, as is currently done. In short, what I wanted to say... I don't know, I'll think about it... Remembering programming is good, but I don't know how much time it will take. Another option is to "copy," i.e., ask Dreamcatcher for a fully ready-made ranking system and adapt it only for HW. I don't want to do that, although it is the most reasonable option. If anyone has the desire and ability, you can contact Dreamcatcher and try to implement their ready-made system for HW. Because if I start writing an automatic calculation system, I will only do it from scratch, while simultaneously studying PHP. I will start, but I might not finish...
Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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