Vampires. Discussion. — Necropolis

Sergh

8/11/2006 7:05 PM UTC

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RomaShSh;25298

that means you lose often......cerberi deal decent damage and if you're lucky it's even better, three at once, and spawn perfectly take out vampires who have the clip wings spell cast on them—and devils are wonderful in both attack and defense!it's cool that they can summon ice elementals!If we're going down that road: ghosts - age (which is sometimes much more serious than a hit from several opponents), also they have incorporeality, meaning if you fight them manually, it's +100% defense... that's not bad either :)
Everything is already clear about vampires... (I think there will be plenty of defenders here :))
Bone dragons - fear - meaning a hit without a response... (and also I really liked driving units off the towers this way when storming castles)

Мечты сбываются, просто нужно уметь правильно мечтать.

Жизнь нужно прожить так, чтобы Боги в восторге предложили еще одну...
P.S. может мне и предложили, просто я не помню :smile44:

ML.

8/11/2006 7:47 PM UTC

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I also prefer to include undead in my army, but instead of vampires, I choose ghasts (they are the only ranged unit in the Necropolis). Besides, this leaves free space in the army, and vampires, resurrected by necromancy, can be added there!

И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
"Фауст" Гете

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Sergh

8/11/2006 7:56 PM UTC

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ML.;25328

I also prefer to include undead in my army, but instead of vampires, I choose ghouls (they are the only archers in the Necropolis). Besides, there is free space in the army, and vampires resurrected by necromancy go there!!

In my opinion, movement speed on the map is a serious argument in favor of vampires...
Having both vampires and ghouls in the army... well, I don't know, it doesn't seem very effective to me. You might as well suggest building vampires in one castle and ghouls in another... I think that if you're going to have vampires anyway, you should have more of them...
The lack of archers... well, you just have to live with it :(

Мечты сбываются, просто нужно уметь правильно мечтать.

Жизнь нужно прожить так, чтобы Боги в восторге предложили еще одну...
P.S. может мне и предложили, просто я не помню :smile44:

Fireball

8/11/2006 9:17 PM UTC

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In my opinion, movement speed on the map is a significant advantage for vampires...
Having both vampires and undead creatures in the same army... I'm not sure if that's very effective. You might as well suggest building vampires in one castle and undead in another... I think that if you're going to have vampires, you should have more of them...
The lack of archers, well, you just have to live with it.

Sergh, I see I'm not alone in my opinion. That's good... Movement and retaliatory strike are key. Besides, with such an army, if you encounter a Necropolis, the enemy vampires won't be able to regenerate from you.

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Nowizard

8/11/2006 11:57 PM UTC

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Uh-huh... 2 RomaShSh and Leneia: Actually, this topic was created to discuss VAMPIRES and creatures related to them (like ghouls or Nosferatu). There's no mention of any BROOD or CERBERUS here. That's already off-topic, I apologize. If you want to discuss Cerberus and ghosts, go to the "unit discussion" section, and if it's about Heroes 4, then even further, to the Heroes 4 forum. I'm done, thank you for your attention. :D

Бог есть любовь

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***JOKER***

8/12/2006 2:34 AM UTC

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Nowizard;25358

Heh... 2 RomaShSh and Leneia: Actually, this topic was created to discuss VAMPIRES and creatures related to them (like ghouls or nosferatu). There's no mention of any BROODS or CERBERUSES here. This is already, excuse me, off-topic. If you want to discuss cerberuses and ghosts, go to the "unit discussion" section, and if it's about the 4th game, then even further, to the Heroes 4 forum. I'm done, thank you for your attention. :D

Yes, that's how they are... :D :D
Seriously, I think we've discussed all the units enough, and I can say that (as I see it) the vampire is the best unit of its level.
I even conducted a study (though in HoMM 3) on the topic of the best combat creature, and in its fourth level, the vampire took a clear first place.
More details about this study - http://www.homm3.net/top9.htm

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UTER

8/12/2006 6:21 AM UTC

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Hey, does anyone remember a game similar to "Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines" that featured vampires resembling Ghouls from the Вар game? Does anyone remember what they were called?

Night

8/15/2006 5:50 PM UTC

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Vampires are the elite of the undead army. Even the swamp special forces will think twice before attacking the bloodsuckers:)

ML.

8/15/2006 7:34 PM UTC

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Vampires are not just the elite of the undead – they are its rulers, as they are its only intelligent representatives.

И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
"Фауст" Гете

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Night

8/15/2006 7:43 PM UTC

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ML.;26743

Vampires are not just the elite of the undead – they are its rulers, as they are its only intelligent representatives.

There are also liches. They are also kind of intelligent:)

ML.

8/15/2006 7:52 PM UTC

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I've always believed that liches, like other undead, are raised from graves. And (in my opinion), those who are resurrected don't have a mind – they are puppets. (This isn't specific to Heroes 5, but applies generally to fantasy.)

И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
"Фауст" Гете

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Nowizard

8/15/2006 8:58 PM UTC

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ML.;26743

Vampires are not just the elite of the undead – they are its rulers, as they are its only intelligent representatives.

Besides the necromancers themselves, of course.

Бог есть любовь

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ML.

8/15/2006 9:29 PM UTC

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Nowizard;26767

Besides the Necromancers themselves, of course;)

Yes. But in fantasy works, vampires never obeyed Necromancers. Besides, I don't consider Necromancers to be representatives of the undead.

И пусть тьма освещает Ваш путь.

"- Так кто же ты, наконец?
- Я - часть той силы, что вечно хочет зла и вечно совершает благо."
"Фауст" Гете

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Alloya

8/15/2006 9:55 PM UTC

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well, not all Necromancers are representatives of the undead. Take, for example, Heroes of Might and Magic. There are living or semi-living heroes there.
And I agree that vampires do not obey Necromancers. They have brains, unlike the others, therefore they should be able to think.

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