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StickyFingaz
This whole situation is my fault. I forgot to add a clause about repeating turns in case of a disconnect. Therefore, Suris technically has the right not to repeat his turns. Which he did after loading the save. And he was right. According to the rules. But not in a sportsmanlike way, in my opinion. Oh well. Sorry.
Does Vitalik agree to continue the game if Suris plays differently?
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Another option is to think that we won, and they will think that they won.
They can only save the match, and nothing more...
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Okay, here's the deal. I'll tell you everything honestly.

This whole situation is my fault. I forgot to add a clause about repeating turns in case of a disconnect. Therefore, Suris is technically right to not repeat his turns. Which is what he did after loading the save. And he was right, according to the rules. But not in a sportsmanlike way, in my opinion. Oh well. Sorry.

What are the options now? black_knight doesn't want to concede and demands that the match continue. Either with Vitalik on the test server, or with another test server player against Suris. Or, continue the match from the save without repeating turns. Another option is to think we won, and they think they won.

I'm in shock. This rule has always been in effect, even without being written down; it's more of an unwritten rule, dating back to the days of TOH. Put pressure on them; Lithuanians aren't Poles, they should acknowledge your rightness.
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Does Vitalik agree to continue the game if Suris plays differently?
It seems he doesn't agree. But in that battle, Suris would have the advantage; the battle was won due to his mistake (in my opinion). I personally wouldn't replay the battle.
They can only save the match, and nothing more...
And tell everyone what dishonest scoundrels Russians are.
This rule always applies, even without being written down; it's more of an unwritten rule.
I also thought so, which is why I didn't pay much attention to translating this rule. =((
Put pressure on them; Lithuanians aren't Poles; they should acknowledge your rightness.
No, they persistently demand that the last match be played/finished.
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And why are they so fixated on The Shadow of Death? The game was originally on Soda, so let them replay it there if that's what they want!
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Well, that's a rather underhanded tactic, of course. It's clear to us that we won the match. As for them, they can play an extra game, but they should use their own game version, especially since they seem to have that right.
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Should the battle continue? It seems to me that everything is obvious in the screenshot.
Well, if it's obvious, they might not need to continue.

Let them recreate the same situation and finish the game. If they don't want to finish, they lose.
So, is it possible to play a battle however you want? If you make a mistake, you can disconnect, then replay, and then replay again.

It's all fair. They recreate the situation at the moment of disconnection and finish the game.

I can help with the saves, I can create an army for both the attacking and defending player directly in the autosave, so that the armies are as they were at the moment of disconnection.
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if they don't want to finish the game, they lose.

Well, let's just say that the Lithuanians lost and we won, they'll think differently. It's simple.
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StickyFingaz
Well, let's just say that the Lithuanians lost and we won, they might think differently. It's just... simple.

But they are refusing to finish the game for subjective reasons.

And with such rules, you can blackmail people a lot...
I don't think the rules say anything about intentional disconnections. It's obvious.
So, it turns out I can use these two loopholes in the rules to play an official game:
We start playing - everyone spreads out, we buy as many heroes as possible, scout everything, learn everything, test things. We intentionally disconnect - because the rules don't say that's forbidden!
We load the game - and play the final version. Because the rules don't say I have to repeat my moves....

Okay, it's getting a bit sarcastic... it's better to find a solution that suits both sides.
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So, what's the problem? If you finish the game without repeating moves, will you lose?
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Wicc
So, what's the problem? If you play it through without repeating moves, will you lose?
Open your eyes :eek:
I don't really agree. But in that battle, Suris would have the advantage; the battle was won because of his mistake (in my opinion). I personally wouldn't replay the battle.
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Well, then, you have to replay. Concepts are concepts, but the letter of the law has not been repealed by anyone yet.

In this kind of tournament, when there are no common rules, and they are developed directly before the tournament, the letter of the law is the determining factor.
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Yeah, you can replay. But if Vitalik can’t win now, he might intentionally disconnect and demand another replay, citing the “letter of the law”:D
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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I already suggested to Vitalik, under the pretext of the lack of a rule about disconnections, to upload a replay from any day he liked or something along those lines. But he wants to play fairly.

What to do about continuing the match – I don't know; when I talked to Black, we couldn't find a mutually beneficial solution.
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One thing is clear: these Lithuanians don't know how to lose gracefully!

They get flustered.

Suggesting to change the game version, or maybe even replace the player from the Shades of Darkness team with someone from the Tribes of the East team – that's just absurd!

And the very fact that they refused to allow repeating moves in battle speaks volumes...:smile18:
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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I'd like to share my opinion on what happened...
I wouldn't be so quick to say that Sirus intentionally disconnected. I had a similar situation myself once. I attacked my opponent's main hero with my own main hero. At the beginning of the battle, I had the advantage, but by the end, the advantage shifted to my opponent, and then suddenly, there was a disconnect. The disconnect was beneficial to me, and it was understandable why someone might suspect that I did it on purpose. Recalling the moves would have been pointless; I didn't want to give up the victory, because even if I had lost that battle, it didn't seem like I had absolutely no chance of winning. But if there's a screenshot from the moment of the disconnect, there's nothing easier than disbanding the necessary number of troops, spending the necessary amount of mana by scouting the land (or air), or agreeing not to use more mana than was available at the moment of the disconnect, and then rearranging the troops and continuing!... What's the problem?... And in any tournament, there should be a judge or several judges who can make such a fair decision...

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