Posts from Lumen

I haven't listened to much, but what I've heard, I liked. :) I'll note the song "Nebesa" for myself :smile04: (although I have all the albums on my hard drive, I need to find time to listen to them:))

What do you mean by serious music? I'm hearing about the division of music into serious and unserious for the first time :smile04:

I'll answer briefly - PUNK ROCK, I have the opinion that punk is for kids)))

By the way, I really like everything with the prefix "post", that is, everything that has been formed...

Do you have any arguments? Or is it just "because"?

"Post" doesn't mean formed. Post-apple, for example, is a core.

I was just expressing my personal view on rock music, which leads me to these conclusions.

But punk rock sounds worse compared to Hardcore, Grunge, Indie, and Post-Punk.

I'm not saying it's primitive from the point of view of playing an instrument.

Read the other arguments in the Wiki.

Or you can put it this way: Post-Submarine - Aircraft Carrier.

No, it's not worse :p
And why am I wrong now?

Punk was never "playing an instrument" (and it's not "primitive" at all when we're talking about Lumen), punk is conceptual music, where even a single, precisely spoken word can add incredible flavor to a song. Punk was originally more about the music of feelings/anger/life, or something like that.

I didn't find any Articles with the title "Stupid argument about who is cooler in musical styles," do you have a link?

And the post-aircraft carrier will be the "Kursk," submarine vodka.
Here's an example, grape juice. On the one hand, post-grape juice is wine. On the other hand, it's a yellow-colored bodily waste.
I'm saying that there is good and bad in everything, you just shouldn't confuse being a hardcore fan with self-improvement.
And eating everything with the prefix "post" is like drinking all kinds of post-juice.

Why am I wrong? From my point of view, I am absolutely right!

And people who didn't know about the instrument...

It will be written there what the styles I mentioned are, but you won't agree, even though I know how they sound. But again, I want something simpler; I'm not against it...

Now, prove to me that: post-punk, post-hardcore, post-industrial, post-rock, post-black, and post-metal are not more advanced than their origins!

I have always said, and I will continue to say, that the most important thing is not the genre, but the execution. You can play an incredibly complex melody, but will it be beautiful?

Is it difficult to make music without knowing the instrument? :)

It says there that they are "post-metal" musicians, incredibly virtuoso. But it's written as if only one person wrote it. And of course, he doesn't mention that the others play just as well.

It's one thing to be able to play like Isis, and another thing to play music of a different type. Is that easier?

What if, for example, confectioners start cracking walnuts with angle grinders? What's wrong with that? It's just virtuoso!
Or if some installers use whipped cream instead of foam.
Virtuoso :smile01: but not in the right situation.

Is "alt-grade" in ToE 5 also more advanced?
Almost everything that people like is considered post-punk. But it's different music, it's not more advanced.

Post-industrial is also called everything that comes to hand. Saying that one band is "more advanced" than another because it has a couple of electric noises in the song (and for that it also gets the status of industrial) is not very appropriate.

In post-industrial, one serious modifier appears - a riff guitar, well, that's what makes it more advanced)))
And there are plenty of talentless people who present their work as post-industrial, like Rammstein.

WisTritPost-black and metal are also described as something incredible that has descended from the heavens, but if you listen, it's not clear what they're talking about. It's different music, but "post" is generally cooler and much more skillfully played. Logical :smile15:

Something more.

I'm not saying that all "post" has become crap because of this. There are good bands, there is crap, there is terrible crap.
But it's not "more serious", it's just different.

What is written in the wiki is nonsense because it is written by a certain group of people.

and they cannot objectively explain what post-punk is. Many, including those who were present at its inception, cannot accurately define the line between post-punk and something else.
It's all taken from the literature of that time, "punk philosophies," and so on, including biographies. So, who knows what post-punk is.

Post-punk is a genre of rock music that emerged in the late 1970s in the United Kingdom as a continuation of punk rock, but unlike it, post-punk was characterized by a greater diversity of musical expression due to the wide range of influences on the genre (krautrock – primarily such groups as Neu! and Can, dub, funk, disco, experimental albums by David Bowie from the so-called "Berlin period," electronic achievements of Kraftwerk).

The debut album of Public Image Ltd in 1978 is rightly considered, if not the first, then one of the first and most influential albums of post-punk.

Instead of the energetic drive and guitar aggression of punk, post-punk is characterized by a slow, monotonous rhythm with a predominance of bass and drums, a sense of growing anxiety in the melodies, detached vocals, and, as a rule, depressing, melancholic lyrics, sometimes full of reflections on death and the meaning of life.[1] Thanks to the work of such groups as Joy Division, The Cure, and Bauhaus, the derivative genre of gothic rock was born.

A number of groups of the "second wave" of post-punk, relying, on the one hand, on the legacy of a number of post-punk groups (Killing Joke, Wire), and on the other hand, on new wave, as well as on industrial music, played post-punk, actively using electronic instruments in the recording. The most melodic electronic post-punk (Depeche Mode) was, in essence, not much different from the electro-pop groups that emerged from the new wave, so the development of alternative music was more influenced by groups at the intersection with industrial music: Chrome, Clock DVA, D.A.F. One of the most influential figures of the underground in the 1980s was Fad Gadget – one of the best melodists in the genre of industrial post-punk (at one time he collaborated with Boyd Rice, recording classic works in the genre of noise).

You can also be a virtuoso playing progressive music, but that doesn't mean that others can't.

Punk can be simpler in terms of playing the instrument (guitar, for example), but not in terms of the music itself, billions of small details make even the most mediocre compositions in terms of instrumentation excellent. And punk is primarily music of words.

I don't know about post-black. I didn't try to specifically identify and listen to post-black. But I have one musician friend who says he listens to and plays black metal. Although he plays virtuously, he only accepts pure black metal. Although he listens to tons of music and knows everything about this style and all its branches.
But nevertheless, he doesn't consider "post" to be more virtuoso.

kj1313, don't you think it's unreasonable to call all musicians with the "post" label virtuosos, just because they are post? I don't think you can find many virtuosos now.

Here are Warlock, Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian – virtuosos. Randy Rhoads too.

Is it reasonable to call some guys playing in a new style and playing fast – virtuosos? Virtuosity is not just about speed.

I think you're having a somewhat meaningless discussion.

Those who know what to write about...

Not everyone has the same skill level.

I don't like Heavy, it seems boring to me.