Haven discussion. — Haven

HwKeeper

12/1/2005 9:17 PM UTC

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This thread is for discussing the Haven faction and everything related to it.

Here's a list of key topics for discussion:

Humans in Heroes 5 - /topic/29/
History of the Kingdom - /topic/27/
Characteristics of the Devoted - /topic/28/
Haven Units - /topic/28/

Anonymous

12/13/2005 7:25 AM UTC

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Some believe that Humans are the strongest race, with their griffin (which falls from the sky), their angel (which resurrects), and their counter-attack ability (which reduces damage taken during defense and deals more damage in return).

Katrine

12/14/2005 10:38 AM UTC

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Bars

receive less damage when defending

Interesting. Here's the ability description:

This skill can be improved. Depending on the skill level, creatures under the hero's command deal more damage in response to an enemy attack. This reflects in the game the fact that heroes and creatures of Haven belong to a race, an army that is well-organized in battle and prefers physical strength in resolving conflicts.

As you can see, NOWHERE is it said that they deal less damage in battle. They receive the same amount of damage, but they hit harder...
Moreover, considering this feature, for humans, it is most advantageous to simply use Defence throughout the entire battle. Because in response, the troops will deal more damage than just fighting, and their defense

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NecroFill

12/16/2005 8:32 AM UTC

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Katrine

Since the troops will deal more damage in retaliation than just by fighting, and their defense will also be increased by 30%.

In principle, this is correct. Unlike the Sylvan faction, where their "favorite enemy" ability will only work effectively with an offensive tactic...

Меня всегда преследуют умные мысли, но я все равно быстрее :D

Sabir

1/19/2006 9:04 PM UTC

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the only castle that remained unchanged; the only one where peasants with pitchforks were recruited into the army.

HwKeeper

1/26/2006 12:34 AM UTC

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I'm starting this thread again because new data has emerged from the ongoing beta test. If anyone wants to help, I wouldn't mind; there's a lot of work to do :), write me a private message...

The beginning of the topic is here - /topic/at/148/

dartRevan

1/27/2006 12:18 AM UTC

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Gentlemen! I'm interested in your opinion about the angel: IS IT ALSO A WOMAN? :( Or does it change gender when it's upgraded?

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NecroFill

1/30/2006 3:07 PM UTC

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I don't quite understand why the stats are the way they are. Especially, it's concerning that the damage dealt by units barely increases from level 1 to 4, and only then does it jump significantly, and the same applies to the cost... In general, the cost of units seems too high, and the increase is small... (especially for an angel, which costs almost 5000 gold, considering the resurrection cost)... It seems like the developers decided to eliminate very large armies in the game and want to make players value each unit, like in chess... This is a very debatable innovation... Besides, I feel like there will constantly be a shortage of gold... :eek:

Меня всегда преследуют умные мысли, но я все равно быстрее :D

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Magnus

2/1/2006 3:28 PM UTC

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dartRevan

Gentlemen! I'm interested in your opinion about the angel: IS IT ALSO A WOMAN?! :( Or does it change gender when it levels up?

:
:eek:

It's not a woman because, unlike the dark elf sorceresses, it doesn't have anything protruding on its chest.

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Katrine

2/2/2006 7:29 AM UTC

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dartRevan

HE IS ALSO A WOMAN! :(

We live in the age of feminism:D
Look, they gave the Dungeon an entire castle. I wonder how they reproduce:D

Magnus

He's not a woman because, unlike the dark elf sorceresses, he doesn't have anything protruding on his chest.

He didn't eat enough porridge:) Maybe that's the fashion in heaven:D

Хронология вселенной Might and Magic
Katrine
Третьи или пятые? Теперь Вы сами выбираете иконки
Диалоги с Модераторами
Сейчас играю в Diablo II LoD
:cool:

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NecroFill

2/2/2006 7:42 AM UTC

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Katrine

We live in the age of feminism:D
Look, they gave the entire castle to Dungeon.
I wonder how they reproduce:D

Hehe... how, how? And what about the minotaurs? :D :rolleyes: :eek: :cool:

And the angel actually has a breastplate with clearly defined protrusions ;), so she's still a woman, all in ruffles...

Меня всегда преследуют умные мысли, но я все равно быстрее :D

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Magnus

2/2/2006 2:27 PM UTC

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Katrine

She didn't eat much porridge :) :D

If he/she didn't eat much porridge, how will he/she wield such a huge sword?:confused:

White Hawk

Heh, the nature of an angel is incomprehensible - if he wants to, he'll become a WOMAN, if he wants to, he'll be a MAN.

An angel, in translation from Greek, means a messenger. Where have you seen an angel as a woman?

NecroFill

An angel actually has a breastplate with unambiguous protrusions ;), so she is a woman, all in ruffles...

Where are the protrusions?:confused: :confused: :confused:

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Katrine

2/3/2006 5:44 AM UTC

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to Magnus
She really is a woman :) This is Nival's answer.
This topic was hotly debated on the Nival forum (largely due to me :D). So get used to it :)

Хронология вселенной Might and Magic
Katrine
Третьи или пятые? Теперь Вы сами выбираете иконки
Диалоги с Модераторами
Сейчас играю в Diablo II LoD
:cool:

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NecroFill

2/3/2006 6:43 AM UTC

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Magnus

Where are the curves?:confused: :confused: :confused:

It's very clearly visible in the sketch – maybe it's not so noticeable on the 3D model, I don't know...

Katrine

This topic was hotly debated on the Nival forum (largely due to me).

Come on, don't exaggerate... The topic started being hotly debated as soon as the first sketches of the creatures were published on the site (the gender and sword of the angel were hotly debated) – you weren't on the Nival forum back then... As a result of heated discussions, the developers removed the stupid sword that is present in the aforementioned (for Magnus) sketch, but they left the angel's gender as it was... So, we'll be playing as a female angel... And in general, there are now much more female characters in the game – just look at the matriarchy of the dungeon – maybe this is now a new marketing trick – to attract more female players to the game, because they are rare players in Heroes...:cool:

Меня всегда преследуют умные мысли, но я все равно быстрее :D

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Katrine

2/3/2006 7:34 AM UTC

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NecroFill

maybe this is a new marketing trick – to attract more female players to the game... :cool:

Yeah. A housewife's dream... To put horns on her husband and then beat him with a rolling pin in between them :) In real life, he'll fight back, but in games, he'll only respond to what survives :D Then the return to alternating attacks makes sense :)