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Whether someone is a musician or not doesn't matter. It's like saying that only a baker can judge the taste of bread.

"Don't confuse warm with soft." (c) You don't need to be a musician to love Rammstein, but you do need to be one to appreciate the complexity of the music, or at least have some basic knowledge of musical notation.
By the way, if we take your metaphor – even if you're not a baker, you won't be able to tell by taste what kind of flour was used, whether it's yeast bread or not, etc. But simply saying "it's delicious" – that's fine.
But, as they say, there's no accounting for taste. This applies to music as well.:smile01:

In other words, if a baker bakes delicious bread using their skills properly, will I not be able to tell that the baker is skilled? Or if they bake a bland, tasteless brick by mixing wheat and water in a pot and baking it in an oven, will I still not be able to tell? And knowing what kind of flour was used is not really necessary for me. Just like, for example, many people don't need to know what the forum is written in.
But if the baker selects 49 types of flour, yeast, wheat varieties, and other ingredients, carefully collecting and preparing them. Then bakes the bread, and the result is garbage, then the baker is more likely to be a *bad word hinting at extreme incompetence*, rather than someone who created something complex.
And that's exactly what most metal bands suffer from; sometimes they neglect the music itself and just shake their guitars in crazy 49 fifths per minute.
And there is absolutely no desire to place such bands even one step above pop music.
No matter what, the main goal is this: "it's delicious."

And Rammstein, by the way, is not just guitar parts; it's a band and music. It's a disease of guitarists when, besides the music, you can't hear anything else.

In other words, if a baker bakes delicious bread using their skills properly, wouldn't I be able to tell that the baker is skilled?

No, you wouldn't. :) After all, delicious bread can be made using a very simple recipe, which even a beginner can handle. An example from life: I learned to bake pizza the first time, and it was very tasty. But the recipe is extremely simple, and of course, I'm not a culinary master.
Essentially, this is about how even simple music can be beautiful - see Oxygen's comment about Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata"; the same can be said for Bach's immortal "Prelude" and "Fugue," which are also well-known and very simple.

But if a baker selects 49 types of flour, yeast, wheat varieties, and so on, carefully and meticulously gathering and preparing them, and then bakes bread that turns out to be garbage, then the baker is more likely to be a *nasty word hinting at extreme incompetence* than someone who created something complex.

I agree, there are examples of that too. Try not just playing, but even listening to this:


I assure you, it sounds terrible. But the complexity is incredible, yes. 49 types of flour. :smile11:

And that's exactly what most metal bands suffer from, sometimes sacrificing the music itself and just shaking guitars in crazy 49 fifths per minute of the song. And there's absolutely no desire to rank such bands even one step above pop music.
No matter what, the main goal is this: "it's delicious"

That's exactly what I was talking about. :smile01: And Oxygen's post was also about that. Only with the caveat: we both love music, regardless of genre. And although we go to Metallica concerts, we don't feel ashamed that we also like Eminem. :smile04:

And Rammstein, by the way, isn't just guitar riffs; it's a band and their music. Guitarists often suffer from only hearing the guitar and nothing else in the music.

I agree, there's also electronic music there, and that's also metal (but not heavy metal, of course).

Personally, I listen to metal (rock) because I like the sound of the guitar, but pop music is also diverse, like pop-rock, etc.

P.S. It's a funny topic to discuss pop music; you just don't need to listen to it and forget about it.

P.S. It's actually a funny topic, discussing pop music. You just don't have to listen to it and forget about it altogether.

But they play it everywhere((

like pop-rock

I don't like pop-rock, like Evanescence, Rasmus.

They keep showing it everywhere((

I don't seem to have that problem...

So you’re lucky ;)

Most of them? Could you be more specific? Although, there are some, I won't argue. Dragonforce, for example, creates pretty good music at an incredibly fast pace, it doesn't grate on the ears or cause disgust, but the music noticeably loses in beauty. Perhaps it's a disease. You can hear everything they do, but besides the guitar, nothing else attracts attention, and the electronics are quite boring. And in general, is Rammstein considered metal or not?
P.S. There's no pop music in Kharkiv?!

Rammstein is industrial metal, meaning it's a type of alternative metal.

Gentlemen!

I repeat myself. Yes, most metal bands have simple and primitive melodies. One of the main characteristics of metal is its aggressive rhythm, which sometimes simply drowns out the melody. That is, we are not talking about the complexity or simplicity of the performance (it would also be difficult to play Mozart with jackhammers: if someone managed to do that, it would undoubtedly be a technically brilliant performance, but the composition would clearly lose in beauty and melodic richness), but specifically about the melodiousness...

Regarding my post number 64.
Its reason: I often have to discuss musical preferences with my friends and acquaintances, just people I've known for 2 hours. I ask a person if they like Dima Bilan's music. I hear a logical answer: no. "Okay. What do you like?" - I continue. "Well, definitely not pop music," my interlocutor replies. "I'd prefer something 'heavy': Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Slipknot, Sepultura, etc." - "Great. You have excellent taste. Anything else?" - "No, not really. Mostly metal and alternative." - "How so? What about jazz, country, chanson (French - author's note), classical music?" Silence in response. "Okay. What about Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Emerson, Lake & Palmer?" Not a single sound broke the silence.

My point is that, very often, when a conversation turns to pop music, it is contrasted with heavy rock (including metal). Of course, the comparison is not in favor of the former (which I mostly agree with) and exists because of the musical limitations of the person making the comparison, who only knows two musical genres. Moreover, metal itself is presented as almost the pinnacle of musical perfection.

As a rule, the "love" for heavy rock arises from a desire to assert oneself: "I'm not like everyone else, I'm better" - and has the same roots as adolescent hypersexuality, that is, it passes with age. Hence, the complete denial of other musical styles (I'm not talking about anyone who has posted in this thread, I'm just trying to show a trend).

A little about myself: I hate pop music. However, this is more of a professional thing, as I work at NASHE RADIO. In general, I believe that there are only two types of music: good and bad (in other words: in any musical genre, there are both worthy and mediocre representatives). And the assessment is always subjective.

A few words about progressive metal, which I was accused of not knowing. As far as I know, the origins of this genre lie in metal and progressive rock. According to my subjective impressions (supported by the opinions of several people who are authoritative for me), prog-metal is more of a "heavier" YES than a more virtuoso Metallica.

And finally, to please TWELF 12, I will list not five, but six of the most primitive metal bands in terms of music: Judas Priest, Motorhead, Slayer, Immortal, The Abyss, Metallica.

I hope I have made my position clear and have not offended anyone with my words.

With opinion,
Gur - "professional"

P.S. Rammstein belongs to industrial metal

P.S. Is there no pop music in Kharkiv?!

Well, I'm not sure what to say, I haven't personally encountered pop music))), but in Ukraine, they still try to pay attention to music, and there aren't enough drummers for rock bands... and what was the reason for this question?

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Yes, most metal bands are characterized by simple and primitive melodies.

For me, this isn't a very important criterion...

One of the main characteristic features of metal is its aggressive rhythm, which sometimes simply drowns out the melody.

It depends on the style and the band, but I haven't noticed it.

That is, we are not talking about the complexity or simplicity of the performance, but specifically about the melodiousness...

I personally don't like it when music is too melodic.

And jazz, country, chanson (French - author's note), classical music?" In response, silence. "Okay. Well, what about Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Emerson, Lake & Palmer?" Not a single sound broke the silence.

Jazz and country are understandable, but is chanson music? (you don't have to answer)

The bands listed are worthy of respect and honor, but I still think that modern performers are better.

In general, I believe that there are only two types of music: good and bad (in other words, there are both worthy and mediocre representatives in any musical genre).

I agree 100%.

A few words about progressive metal, which I was accused of not knowing. As far as I know, the origins of this genre lie in metal and progressive rock. According to my subjective impressions (supported by the opinions of several people who are authoritative for me), prog-metal is more of a "heavier" YES than a more virtuoso Metallica.

Prog can be different, I like math metal the most.

And finally, to please TWELF 12, I will list not five, but six of the most primitive metal bands in terms of music: Judas Priest, Motorhead, Slayer, Immortal, The Abyss, Metallica.

For me, all traditional rock (metal) is primitive.

I hope I have made my position clear and have not offended anyone with my words.

Of course.

P.S. Rammstein belongs to industrial metal.

That's not entirely true, it's considered to be, but there's no industrial electronics there, I just like to listen to industrial rock (like NiN) and I know what I'm talking about....

Well, everyone has their own views on what constitutes a good melody. You can find melodic elements even in the most brutal death metal band. I like it when both elements are combined skillfully, which is why I don't like alternative music.
I mainly listen to metal. I have some favorite classical pieces. The usual "The Four Seasons" and "Peer Gynt." Sometimes I listen to jazz, but not any specific pieces. The same goes for country. From "true" chanson, I like Édith Piaf, although not enough to keep her songs on my playlist for long. From Pink Floyd, I only liked "Point Me in the Sky." I don't know the other bands you mentioned.
I agree that classical music, as a genre, is stronger than metal. I just like metal more. As for what's stronger than classical music, I can't think of anything.
In my opinion, "Metalla" reached its peak virtuosity in its first and third albums. It's not quite the same now. I wouldn't dare call Slayer and "Metalla" primitive, because these guys know how to work with rhythm and create well-structured compositions. Maybe I didn't understand you correctly. Immortal is just awful, in my opinion. I can't say anything about "Priest" and Motörhead; I somehow missed them.
By the way, since the opportunity has arisen, what kind of pop music is playing on your radio these days?
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The reason I'm asking is because of your statement that pop music isn't played everywhere.

The reason was your statement that you don't play pop music everywhere.

I just watch Enter music and A1, and pop music rarely appears there, or at least I don't come across it.

Is it supposed to be chanson music? (you don't have to answer)

I said, it's French. It's not at all the kind of music our unshaven guys belt out, their voices hoarse from smoking, about how bad life is for their buddies behind bars. It would be good to familiarize yourself with the subject of discussion before passing judgment.

The bands listed are worthy of respect and honor, but I still think that modern performers are better.

It's hard to say. If you think that modern performers are all better than PF, then I'm even at a loss :)

kj1313. I wasn't talking about TV ;)

The bands listed are worthy of respect and honor, but I still think that modern performers are better.

I don't know how they are better; I like both.