Dialogues with Moderators — Suggestions and improvements.

злой_романтик

17 years ago

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I'm all for it! You banned a person for no reason, and what did you achieve? Let's introduce censorship. I even suggest a motto for the moderators: "There are two opinions – mine and the wrong one!!!!" What was the reason for the ban? For calling a cheater a cheater?????

Smoke_mk

17 years ago

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ZYbr

And why didn't anyone insist on describing battles, for example? Isn't that the most reliable way to verify things? And you already started making mistakes with the save files at the beginning of the "discussion":)

This is what invisible was talking about – a lack of competence in this matter...

invisible

17 years ago

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And why didn't anyone insist on describing the battles, for example? Isn't that the most reliable way to verify, right? And you already messed things up at the beginning of the "argument" with the saves.

First of all, no one messed up with the saves! Yes, the first save was buggy, but the next two show the presence of cheats, which gives the probability of the truthfulness even of the first buggy save! Secondly, don't be offended, but do you even play the third game? If you do, at least look at the save of the game that was CONFIRMED. And then write your speculations/guesses and assumptions!

Then let's ban all offline players, they all use cheats and various additional programs.

I still don't understand what this phrase is about. What does offline have to do with it?

Wlk777

17 years ago

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ZYbr

Um, first of all, the moderators. And secondly, when was the last time you were a moderator? Do you even know what it is, to be so quick to judge?
Someone in your thread wrote well, "What was he banned for?" - that's the point, the public doesn't really know what he was banned for, but everyone is still rooting for his release, and as always, the administrators are to blame.

No one is saying that cheating is good and should be rewarded, but to belittle a person... Are we all saints here?
Let's ban all offline players then, they all use cheats and various additional programs:eek:
And why didn't anyone insist on describing battles, for example? Isn't that the most reliable way to check? And you already messed up with the saves at the beginning of the "argument":)

So, cheating is like using profanity and offensive language, only the first one doesn't get you banned on the forum (there's nothing about it in the rules), but the second one... you can see for yourself - the really hot-headed ones get banned.

There's no need to ramble and write things that are irrelevant and even absurd, yeah, all offline players are cheaters :D I wasn't a moderator, but I know for sure that if a person is reasonable and fair, they would never allow such an outrage as happened. I know perfectly well why he was banned, I don't understand these people who try to call black white with a smart look. :eek: You need to somehow make cheaters understand that it's not welcome, and banning people who expose them is just ridiculous. Regarding the hint about my recent ban - okay, since we're on that topic, I was the FIRST one to be sworn at, and when I responded, they started writing complaints, oh, they were so poor and unfortunate :( I didn't want to bring this up, but since it came up, I'll say it. In general, this forum is losing its appeal in my eyes (and, by the way, not just mine), if this continues, it's possible that soon only the moderators will be left here, and they will be coordinating each other.:eek:

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invisible

17 years ago

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As far as I know, Hacker banned Loa and Lebron for private correspondence! Does anyone have the right to ban someone for PRIVATE correspondence?! Even if it wasn't entirely appropriate, it's still PRIVATE. If you don't like someone, ignore them or give them a warning, but banning them for this is an abuse of power! Essentially, if you ban people for calling cheaters cheaters, you would have to ban about 30 people who were saying practically the same thing! Sticky got banned for a reason; I agree that he did go a bit too far, but everyone else – it's just arbitrary!
I have a question: what are the direct responsibilities of a coordinator?! There are moderators to remove spam/flame, and in this case, there are plenty of them in the Heroes 3 section, who are on the forum 24/7 and don't miss a thing. If a section is neglected or it's just regular spam, then I agree that the coordinator can't ignore it, but if there's a discussion about the nuances of a particular version of Heroes, then "butting in" and simply deleting all posts (claiming it's a matter of principle, even though he said beforehand that all posts below would be deleted, even though there was no flame, and it was on topic, which corresponds to the title, i.e., not spam) is, in my opinion, at least foolish. Making decisions without even knowing who the lead organizer is for the tournament in which the violation occurred...))) The moderators play this part of Heroes and are knowledgeable in these matters. Why do they need to get involved and try to show off when they know nothing about these issues? Why delete topics that should just be merged with others? There are many reasons!

Smoke_mk

17 years ago

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ZYbr

Then let's ban all offline players, they all use cheats and various additional programs:eek:

This is going too far, you need to at least think before pressing the keyboard buttons...
Then you should be banned immediately, because you just called all offline players cheaters, which is what Loy and Sticky were banned for.
But their words are backed up by facts.

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Oelm

17 years ago

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as always, the administrators are to blame

You see, dear sir, I wouldn't want to stoop to discussing personal qualities. And I've never thought that a person's age means anything for the validity and weight of their position. But I have encountered the concept of professional deformation more than once. But I won't discuss the "professional deformation" of a programmer here, although I really want to say something about it.

So, with all due respect to the creators of HW, the forum has its own life and its own rules. If I had known that there was such open disrespect for forum members here, I would not have preferred HW to other resources. So, here, as in any society, there are excesses and overreactions, without which life would be bland. And, in my opinion, moderators (and super-moderators) should correct these excesses. What happened is completely unacceptable. ZYbr, what do you have against offline players? Do you understand that the word "cheating" means not using cheats, but unfair play?
Where do offline players play unfairly?

Where here do they write that the administration is always to blame? Who banned the people mentioned above? (StickyFingas, by the way, is the organizer of the match with the Lithuanians; IMHO, he does no less for the development of the forum than you do)?

As for Xaker, without going into his personal assessment, everything he wrote about Heroes is complete nonsense.

P.S. Isn't LeBron banned?

Pit for LM

17 years ago

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There isn't enough time to monitor everything happening on the forum around the clock. I noticed a controversial issue in this thread, concerning the legitimacy of blocking the accounts of two users. The accounts of loi and StickyFingaz have been banned.
I reviewed the Main Rules of the portal http://forum.heroesworld.ru/faq.php?faq=hw_help#faq_hw_help_rules and the violation system http://forum.heroesworld.ru/faq.php?faq=hw_help_system#faq_hw_help_system_violations, which is used to assign violation points.

19. For violating the rules of HeroesWorld, moderators or coordinators assign violation points to users in accordance with the current violation system adopted on HeroesWorld.
20. If a user accumulates a critical number of violation points, as determined by the current violation system adopted on HeroesWorld, their account is automatically blocked by the system. Information about user violations is public and can be accessed by everyone.

1. When 100 violation points are accumulated, the user's account is automatically blocked by the system.
2. One week after a user's account is blocked, 5 violation points are deducted, and the user's account is automatically unblocked....
4. Violation points are assigned for violations of the HeroesWorld rules by moderators, coordinators, and administrators....
The violation system is designed to automate the work of moderators and coordinators. Now, decisions on blocking user accounts are made by a program and strictly in accordance with the established rules, and coordinators and moderators simply record user violations, also following the established list of violations.

Question 1: Are these Rules being followed?
I didn't find StickyFingaz in the table of violators. Loi has 20.5 points - 2 violations. I couldn't understand what these violations are. Nevertheless, this is clearly not enough for an automatic ban. I would like to see the Information about violations, which should be public. If the Rules are not being followed, then:
Question 2: who, for what, and how banned these users' accounts?
Question 3: what Rules do we live by here? I like to know the Rules and try not to break them.

PS

Dirty_Player

And I killed the Psychos.

I also killed the Psychos yesterday, on the third try, without any mercy. There are 3 Vivs, 6 Eyes, a Manticore, and 5 Medusas left. We have potential for growth.

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LeBron

17 years ago

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I also fully support unbanning Loa and Sticky, but I’m afraid they won’t return to the forum. And the problem isn’t the ban itself, or even the administration making absurd decisions, but rather the atmosphere that has developed on the forum now. Two months ago, I switched here from the portal precisely because of the pleasant and friendly environment – after the inter-portal, this place seemed like a paradise. I don’t know what changed on the site in these two months, but that feeling of goodwill and amicability has completely disappeared; what is happening here now can only be compared to the inter-portal topic on Bay – I think everyone knows its content.

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Dirty_Player

17 years ago

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I don't understand you. What does it mean that they don't believe in the forum, etc...?
Why are you acting like little children and getting offended? In my opinion, nothing so terrible has happened. Loy and Stiky will return in a couple of days, after their temporary ban ends.
Regarding cheaters: just don't play with them, and that's it. What's the problem? Is this problem worth getting upset about and defending something...? I don't understand... :confused:

I agree with Scorp. Such issues should be resolved privately.

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invisible

17 years ago

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P.S. Wasn't LeBron banned?

Not anymore. After he wrote a letter to the Creator, the ban was lifted!

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Alex_R

17 years ago

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LeBron

I'm afraid they won't return to the forum. And it's not about a ban or even an administration making silly decisions; it's about the atmosphere that has developed on the forum now.

The average temperature on the forum is no lower than usual!
I don't understand why you would spread panic and provoke? (I don't see any other meaning in your post unless you are not well informed).
I am also not 100% aware of this conflict, but I know for sure that Sticky announced before the conflict that he was ending his Heroes activities as proof – he withdrew from all Tournaments and said that he would only complete the match with LT-League and then leave... He will also stop maintaining the alternative ranking and pass it on to anyone who wants it.
By the way, let me know if anyone can maintain the alternative ranking

Now regarding the ban... I want to note that they were banned not because they displeased the administration or just like that, but 99% due to personal attacks and/or insults.
"Cooling" ban for 10 days is far from a fatal punishment and does not contradict the rules of the forum (Pit! penalty points are given for various violations, including insults, but the Administration may not wait for the accumulation of a critical number of violations, but make a preventive ban.)
You say that this is not entirely fair? That even though they got carried away, they pursued a noble goal - but what is a ban actually? It's just depriving them of the ability to write on the forum for 10 days... They can still watch, and I am sure they continue to do so - and reports or other things can be written through other people or after the deadline expires.
By the way, has anyone complained or expressed their dissatisfaction/disagreement with being banned?

So those who wanted to get offended or leave the forum would have done so anyway, but I am sure Loi doesn't even care about it, and Sticky will return to finish the tournament and leave by his own decision – and not because of imaginary lawlessness on ХВ.

P.S. I advise you to follow the link below and read my post (if you haven't already), and it is better to resolve all questions to moderators and coordinators in that topic.
/topic/at/225692/

злой_романтик

17 years ago

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.....So, anyone who wanted to get offended or leave the forum would have done so anyway, but I'm sure Loi isn't even worried about it...

I'd like to disagree with you; it was Loi who removed himself from the friends list of many players yesterday and said that he was quitting the game because of the administration's lawlessness....

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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It seems rather foolish to refrain from playing just because someone fancies themselves an avatar of a god; that's my opinion. Some people simply need to be brought down a peg.

However, the coordinator is making progress. First, he declared himself the sole ruler of the "everything about everything" section, judging the "appropriateness" of topics and posts and deleting anything he didn't like. Now, since no one else is particularly active there, he's decided to focus his attention on the third game.

SEM_56

17 years ago

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Yeah, I've been reading everything here, and I'm honestly shocked...
With this kind of coordination, Heroes World will end up like Chaos League, and people will say: "Yeah, there was this portal, it was pretty good, but everyone started arguing and it fell apart, and everyone went their separate ways!"
Guys, let's put an end to all these arguments and return to the atmosphere we used to have!
Personally, I learned how to be polite and respectful to players right here!

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