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Vis, but in your opinion, what will happen to the dragon if a rocket hits it?
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Wistrit
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If, in your opinion, dragons are invulnerable to energy and magic, fly at supersonic speeds, cast teleport, have a thick layer of diamond scales, and still fly, have fiery blood, and are practically invulnerable, then how do knights with very rarely enchanted weapons defeat them?
And what is the ratio...?
I can't stand it when people, trying to defend their point of view, start engaging in such nitpicking.
A fighter can fire from a ship's cannon, which will pierce the hide of any dragon.
Moreover, I didn't say, "ha ha ha, what nonsense, you're completely wrong..." I asked, "but how will it hit?" ;)
Revan, Lock, and I have provided enough arguments; read the thread.
As far as I can see, I'm refuting these arguments. Read the thread ;) let's continue...
This is the destruction of a planet.
It will pierce it easily; you'll hit it perfectly. As you can see, I can write something like that too, and it won't be easy to refute, right?
ordinary metal, no properties. Do you want me to refute it for you?
"No, it's enchanted metal, lots of magic!!". We repeat the paragraph from beginning to end again and again. And nothing new. It becomes boring.
Yes, it's enchanted metal!!
Or maybe it's not metal...:)
What can't be said about a flying lizard.
But dragons have huge wings.
And what about the strength of a giant??? Or a cyclops??? Or an angel???...!! Or a devil?!?!?!
The presence of such strength clearly does not speak in favor of the weakness of dragons.
Have you carefully examined the wings of dragons? Have you studied them, perhaps?
Dragons cannot cast teleport.
Any questions?
Dragons are also not heralds of the coming Black Era and the power of chaos. They are also not the keepers of the last knowledge. They also cannot take the form of other creatures. They also do not use telekinesis...
Dragons are also not the progenitors and guardians of all the elements.
Of course...
peasants. A hundred or half a hundred peasants kill a flying creature with their old grandfathers' pitchforks. Are their pitchforks magical?
Or maybe peasants are just so tough that they could take on a regiment of cyborgs 100 to 1...
1. The arrow was perfectly ordinary, just a favorite. Reread the book.
2. This breach was in the covering of dragon stones, which, after lying for a long time, grew into the dragon's belly, thereby covering it with a hard layer. Without this incident, its belly was completely bare, as dragons are not born with gemstones growing into their bellies.
Nothing was said about it being a favorite. It was said about its peculiarity.
2. Dragons are different. And maybe the gemstones were just an additional protection for the hide.
Vis, what do you think will happen to a dragon if it gets hit by a rocket?
I'm tired of this. It's clear that a dragonophile will look for any, even the most stupid and obviously false arguments to defend their point of view.
But who started it?
You'll get stupidity in return. Moreover, the arguments are not obviously false. At least they are an assumption, not "it will definitely pierce it, it's definitely not stronger" and so on.
I'm no less tired, but I don't want to give up.
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and I envy you with fierce envy
Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made
Except the ones we've made
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I decided to completely rethink everything. And now, I've fully switched to the Sci-Fi side.
So, let's take a small example, a comparison of one type of unit (let's call it that). Although, of course, this won't say anything about superiority, because in battle, the overall strength decides everything, not the strength of a specific unit.
Infantry. What usually represents infantry in fantasy? Dwarves, spearmen, ordinary soldiers, peasants, and so on. In Sci-Fi, there are far fewer close-combat infantry units than Soldiers at close range.
That is, in a battle, close-combat and ranged warriors would fight. Let's take an example:
Knights (without horses, just in armor with a sword, etc.) against Clones from Star Wars.
Before the knights reach the clones, at least half of them will already be gone.
That is, at long range, they will get blaster shots to the head. At medium range, they will get grenades. And then, only then, will there be close combat. However, even in close combat, the Clones will outperform the knights.
Well, that's just sentimentality.
However, all non-magical creatures can be crossed off the list, because they won't be able to do anything against Sci-Fi characters. Tell me, what can a Sword or an arrow do to a Super Battle Droid?
So, 50% of Fantasy units are eliminated.
Magic, I don't deny, is a powerful thing. There's Armageddon, or Inferno, or something that weakens. But Sci-Fi has an answer to that. Artillery bombardment, for example, using battlecruisers.
This is just a small part of what I wanted to say, because it's hard to say everything.
And if we take a "sword made of super metal" or a "super dragon" or something else, then I can say "super-duper-mega cyborg" that is not afraid of ANYTHING, and in my opinion, that would be nonsense.
And I don't know why I decided to write in this thread at one in the morning. Brr, I think I'm going crazy
Arandor
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Why compare units?... Some people find one thing more interesting, while others find something else more interesting.)))
In NF, units are almost like soldiers from real life, only with better armor and cooler weapons. But there are no similar units from fantasy in real life... except for knights, whose era has already passed.)))
Maybe there are more possibilities and features in NF, but I like fantasy more... maybe because it's a fairy-tale world and it's less like real life than NF (by the way, maybe our life will be like NF in the future) and there's more romance there.)))
If we consider the worlds as a whole, which one would you like to live in?... Maybe the answer to this question will determine your preference for the genres.)))
I would like to see the fantasy world more.))) Although I wouldn't mind flying in space, on some kind of spaceship, with friends, completing missions, flying around planets, etc. (although you can do that in fantasy too, only on a smaller scale... although it depends on the world). I also wouldn't rule out a world similar to the Fallout world, i.e., after a nuclear war.))) There's also its own kind of romance, just like in the first two.)))
P.S. And most importantly, all three worlds will have places like taverns, pubs, and bars... although in the last two, there probably won't be fairs with contests, magical forests, and other fantasy delights
In NF, units are almost like soldiers from real life, only with better armor and cooler weapons. But there are no similar units from fantasy in real life... except for knights, whose era has already passed.)))
Maybe there are more possibilities and features in NF, but I like fantasy more... maybe because it's a fairy-tale world and it's less like real life than NF (by the way, maybe our life will be like NF in the future) and there's more romance there.)))
If we consider the worlds as a whole, which one would you like to live in?... Maybe the answer to this question will determine your preference for the genres.)))
I would like to see the fantasy world more.))) Although I wouldn't mind flying in space, on some kind of spaceship, with friends, completing missions, flying around planets, etc. (although you can do that in fantasy too, only on a smaller scale... although it depends on the world). I also wouldn't rule out a world similar to the Fallout world, i.e., after a nuclear war.))) There's also its own kind of romance, just like in the first two.)))
P.S. And most importantly, all three worlds will have places like taverns, pubs, and bars... although in the last two, there probably won't be fairs with contests, magical forests, and other fantasy delights
Be strong. Believe
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by the way, maybe in the future our life will be sci-fi
Again, while reading Meggot's post, I want to clarify that sci-fi is not just galactic-scale wars, not a distant future or distant galaxies. It can even be our present day. For example, a time machine was invented, and the characters end up not in the future, but in the distant past! It is enough to change one important detail in the modern world, and essentially you get sci-fi.
if we consider the worlds as a whole, which one would you like to live in?
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.
G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.
G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
eXeCuToR
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If we consider the worlds in general, I wouldn't mind living comfortably in my own. Or in any other, for that matter. But a medieval world isn't very appealing. If it's a fantasy setting, then there are no complaints, but what's good about the actual Middle Ages? There's nowhere to bathe, you won't see any magic, and no orcs either. It's boring.
Meg, you've discovered America – you said that weapons in the future are better than in the Middle Ages, and I wouldn't have even thought of that. Unless it's some kind of post-apocalyptic setting, of course. In reality, comparing who would win is a pointless exercise. Why bother? But if it pleases you, then go ahead. So, in terms of troops, primitives will lose – unequivocally. The power lies in magic. Its possibilities are limitless by definition. But the possibilities of science are likely limited. And as a result, super-duper cyborgs will no longer be able to upgrade, but magic will still be able to become stronger. So, that's how it is. I've explained it a bit clumsily, I know.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up
There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up
There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
kcfgogbfalgfl
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Once again, while reading Meggot's post, I want to clarify that sci-fi isn't just about galactic-scale wars, or a distant future, or distant galaxies.
Meg, you've certainly discovered America – you said that weapons in the future are better than in the Middle Ages, who would have thought.
If we consider the worlds as a whole, which one would you prefer to live in?.... Maybe the answer to this question will determine your preference for genres.
You still have to relieve yourself in pits (or wherever these "rituals" are performed :D).
Heh, and I only just noticed the picture that VisTrit posted on the first page. :) Is that a fairy? If so, is she, like many other fairies, of "smaller" stature?:D
By the way, if you remove the wings and the butterflies, this "fairy" will look like an intergalactic prostitute. Well, that's the association I have.:D
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Did I ever claim the opposite?
It's just that, in my opinion, the question "what's cooler, science or magic?" (a mega-dragon versus an army of the future, as a specific case) is a topic for pointless arguments and belongs in a general discussion forum.
By the way, if you remove the wings and these butterflies, this "fairy" will look like an intergalactic prostitute. Well, that's the association I have.
P.S. And in the poll, a balance has been established again, 50/50. Who doubted that friendship would win?:)
O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.
G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.
G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
eXeCuToR
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Well, I had my doubts, and I still do. Someone will probably come along and mess up the balance.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up
There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up
There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
Arandor
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Well, fantasy doesn't necessarily have to be like the Middle Ages (and besides, all these conveniences are minor compared to the world itself))). It can be altered, modernized... or adapted to be trendy, with all sorts of earrings, hairstyles (remember the portraits from games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights; they don't put five earrings on each ear themselves), besides establishments for the aforementioned trendy things, you can come up with many more... almost everything that exists in sci-fi, except for flying on ships... although, if you have imagination, you can find something similar here too, like flying cities (the main thing is that it doesn't look stupid and fits into the world)...
And by the way, remember Arcanum? There, there is both magic and technology, which makes the world even more interesting... IMHO =)
Vikh, you don't necessarily have to be a hero who has to save the whole world))) you can easily get by with being a regular adventurer traveling the world... or something else x)
P.S. In general, if you have a good imagination, you can come up with a fantasy that won't be inferior to sci-fi :)
P.P.S. Might and Magic is fantasy! And we're all here, which means we all love fantasy!
And by the way, remember Arcanum? There, there is both magic and technology, which makes the world even more interesting... IMHO =)
Vikh, you don't necessarily have to be a hero who has to save the whole world))) you can easily get by with being a regular adventurer traveling the world... or something else x)
P.S. In general, if you have a good imagination, you can come up with a fantasy that won't be inferior to sci-fi :)
P.P.S. Might and Magic is fantasy! And we're all here, which means we all love fantasy!
Be strong. Believe
Wistrit
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By the way, even in Fallout, there is magic (if you haven't seen it, remember the shamans and "masters of creatures").
These genres go hand in hand. Sci-fi is not just a banal "future," but something else. And fantasy is not just a simple "past," but something else as well.
P.S. Don't touch the picture; it doesn't resemble "that" at all. It's an image of a crossroads of worlds.
These genres go hand in hand. Sci-fi is not just a banal "future," but something else. And fantasy is not just a simple "past," but something else as well.
P.S. Don't touch the picture; it doesn't resemble "that" at all. It's an image of a crossroads of worlds.
Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made
Except the ones we've made
kcfgogbfalgfl
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P.S. Don't touch the picture; it doesn't resemble "that thing" at all. It's an image of a crossroads of worlds.
P.S. I thought fantasy would win the poll... But luckily I was wrong, and friendship won :)
By the way, Vis, why did you write Fantasy in English, but SF in Russian?
Especially, the dragons of Pern are not good at "casting" spells. They also cannot travel through time.
Also, dragons are not heralds of the coming dark age and the power of chaos. They are also not keepers of the last knowledge. They also cannot take the form of other creatures. They also do not use telekinesis...
Also, dragons are not the progenitors and guardians of all elements.
Of course...
Центавр
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By the way, if you compare sci-fi and fantasy, different elements are found in different settings. For example, the Force of the Jedi is very similar to magic (by the way, also the Light and Dark sides). In Dune, there was also magic - in the old version, there were even witches.
As for modernized medieval settings, a good example is the book "A Time for Dragons," where magic and swords are combined with electric door locks, steam trains, and "The Gnome's Path," which turns out to be a railway, and a dragon created as a kind of robot.
Тому, кто сражается с монстрами, нужно сильно постараться, чтобы самому не превратиться в монстра.
Клан "Вершители Асхана" - "Masters of Ashan"
Клан "Вершители Асхана" - "Masters of Ashan"
Amko
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Dune also featured a form of magic.
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