Posts from Dialogues with moderators 2.

Yes, I know. It's just easier for me to refer to them that way. It's all minor details.

They could have closed the Heroic Chat forum, they could have closed the Tavern, but deleting the Haven of Debauchery is the last straw...

Yes, I know. It's just easier for me to call it that. It's all minor details.

You're aware... many are not...

By the way, a little about the Banhammer and the conceited moderators. In Morrowind, there really is such a hammer.


It's a unique weapon-artifact. It appeared as an Easter egg from the developers, referencing the real, internet-famous banhammer. Interestingly, it lies on a corpse, which seems to tell us what usually happens to arrogant moderators. Is the hint clear?

The "Off-topic" section allows discussing topics that don't fit into any of the other forum sections.
Initially, this was the "What fans of Heroes like" section, but due to the overload of various topics, the current section was created.
Generally, such sections shouldn't exist on this type of portal. But since users really wanted to talk about various topics, such a section appeared.
This provides a fairly high level of freedom.
But sometimes, as we have already seen, freedom turns into insolence, so measures have been taken.

Regarding mass bans: There are 15,998 users on the forum, so 3-6 users is NOT a lot.
It's a pity that we have to act so harshly, but what can we do if none of them understand the inappropriateness of their behavior.

It was rightly said that it’s easier to get rid of unwanted users with a ban than to prove one’s fairness to them in front of the entire forum. And there’s no need to, because the actions of the administration are not subject to discussion. Sad…

There are 15,998 users on the forum.

The funniest thing is that there are 479 active users, and who knows what criteria are used to determine these active users.

Generally, such sections shouldn't exist on this type of portal. But since users really wanted to discuss various topics, such a section was created.

Can you give me some examples? I don't know of any such forums. At all.

Come on, guys! This is life, and there are worse things out there, comrade Xaker!!! What's the point of all this spam, anyway? As we say, "Gentlemen, be more tolerant." Yes, this is a Heroes forum. But can't we discuss life here? Of course, vulgarity, swearing, etc., is understandable. But what about evaluating this social phenomenon, sharing thoughts about why it happens? Haven't you thought about that? It's like the coordinator is God. NONSENSE! Coordinators are just people. And they make mistakes just like everyone else. It's idiotic to spam in a spam thread. So, for God's sake, don't make yourself look like a fool! You're an intelligent person! So, does that mean everyone has to listen to the leader? NO! If that were the case, there would have been no French Revolution, no Gandhi's uprising? Pride is a deadly sin. And abusing one's authority falls under that!
This post will probably be deleted. Well, we'll continue anyway!

Examples? I don't know of any such forums. At all.

Let's not go far; let's look at forums with similar themes:
http://forum.heroesleague.ru/ - the Heroes League forum, there is a section called "For Life..."

http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?enter - the HeroesPortal forum
There is a small "Wardrobe" section with 33 topics.

http://www.forum.heroes.by/index.php - the Heroes.by website forum
There is a "Tribune" section with only 2 topics.

http://forum.nivalinteractive.ru/ - the official Nival Interactive forum
There is a "Smoking Room - Forum for Non-Game Communication" section.

Review what topics are discussed in them; if you find a similar one that was removed on our portal, it will be restored, and all violations related to the restored topic will be removed.

Decency, you pest! This is life, and there are worse things here, comrade Xaker!!!

I completely agree with you, however, I would like to note that we have a separate, beautiful, fairy-tale world called HeroesWorld.

Then what is the point of the "off-topic" section? As we say: "Gentlemen, be more tolerant." Yes, this is a Heroes forum. But can't we discuss life here?

You can discuss life; this section was created specifically for this purpose, but, as we have already found out, there are some restrictions here.

There should be no vulgarity, swearing, etc. That's understandable. But what if there is an assessment of this social phenomenon, thoughts on why it happens? Didn't you think about that?

Each topic was read many times before a decision was made to close or delete it.

Do you think that the topics:
"Morality..." is not a discussion of pornographic content?
"The crisis encourages..." - is a discussion of contraception methods immoral?
"Prostitution" - no comment is needed here.

It's as if the coordinator is God. NONSENSE! Coordinators are just people. And they make mistakes like everyone else. It's idiotic to say that you can't chat in the "off-topic" section. Come on, don't make a fool of yourself! You are an intelligent person! So, does it turn out that everyone should listen to the leader? NO! If that were the case, there would have been no French Revolution, no Gandhi's uprising. Pride is a deadly sin. And exceeding authority is related to this!
This post will probably be deleted. Well, we will continue!

Chatting is not prohibited, but immoral topics are.

Let's take a look at your forums. ;)

http://forum.heroesleague.ru/ - the forum of the Heroes League, there is a section called "For Life..."
http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?enter - the HeroesPortal forum
There is a small section called "Wardrobe" which contains 33 topics.

Basically, this is an analogue of our WoW. Well, these are the most "decent" forums on your list. But the further you go into the forest, the thicker the partisans.

http://www.forum.heroes.by/index.php - the forum of the Heroes.by website
There is a section called "Tribune" which contains only 2 topics.

And only 2-3 people are there, yeah. By the way, let's pay attention to the title of the first topic. I will quote it right here: "LYRICS, DAMN!!!!".
How nice, caps, veiled profanity, yeah?
And what a brutal ending.

http://forum.nivalinteractive.ru/ - the official Nival Interactive forum
There is a section called "Smoking Room - Forum for Non-Gaming Communication"

Official forum of the developer. You would think that this is the place where such things shouldn't happen. But no. Look at the topics that can be found here, and moderators often participate in them.
http://forum.nivalinteractive.ru/showthread.php?t=32656
This is not just a discussion of erotica, they even post it here!!! What a shame! Let's take a look at this, for example!
http://forum.nivalinteractive.ru/showpost.php?p=966340&postcount=4003
And there are a lot of such pictures! Where is the admin looking? Oh, poor SilentSmart!

And there are 2-3 people sitting there, yeah. By the way, let's pay attention to the title of the first topic. I'll quote it right here: "LYRICS, DAMN!!!!".
How nice, caps, veiled profanity, yeah?
And what a brutal ending.

Although the topic title isn't exactly a paragon of culture, the content perfectly fits the word "Lyrics."

As for the official Nival forum, yes, there are such topics there, but that's their decision. By the way, since it's allowed there, I suggest discussing it there.

But in general, I want to say that we should strive to emulate the leaders.
Therefore, the following are at the top of the list:
http://forum.heroesleague.ru/ - Hero League
http://heroesportal.net/tavern/?enter - HeroesPortal
And in comparison to them, ours is definitely not a decent forum.
They truly value the absence of spam.

They really appreciate the absence of spam.

Spam is the soul of the forum; without this section, the forum would have ceased to exist long ago. The forum should provide an opportunity for communication, not restrict it.

But on these forums, such topics are commonplace; let's follow the leaders!

Moderated: PROHIBITED LINKS in the message

In general, I was wondering, why do we need a Heroes forum? Games are so boring, let's set up a porn chat? Or maybe a gay club?

p.s.
Fight fire with fire.

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Hey, who is reducing the size of my signature? The words "GENIUS!!!""PIONEERING!!!""UNSURPASSED!!!" were bold and large.

First, a separate question for Xaker. From a logical point of view, how can two rules coexist simultaneously: "The actions of HeroesWorld moderators and coordinators are not subject to discussion" and "if a HeroesWorld user disagrees with their legitimacy (...), they can send a private message to the HeroesWorld administration within two weeks of the actions they consider illegitimate"? How can you complain if complaining is not allowed? Or is a complaint not considered a discussion? :) Now, let's move on.

But in general, I want to say that you need to emulate the leaders. Therefore, the following are listed first: http://forum.heroesleague.ru/ - Hero League (...) And in comparison to them... our forum is definitely not decent. They really value the absence of spam.

The people there are decent and respected, and they are strong players, but, strangely enough, they have more spam in the section for the 4th game than anyone else. I agree that it is a little different there, more playful and not scandalous (although, how can I say it, the discussion about the mod was quite heated), but spam is spam. Therefore, you can emulate them, but keep in mind that they spam with the same activity and enthusiasm; they are just older and have a higher level of culture, but this criterion does not depend on the forum. I'll say in advance that there is no need to cite THEIR forum organization as an example; we still have our own playground.

however, I want to note that we have our own separate, beautiful, fairy-tale world of HeroesWorld.

I don't want to upset you, but that hasn't been true for a long time. Only "separate" remains of the three words.

Life can be lived, that is exactly what this section was created for, but as we have already found out, there are some restrictions here.

Can you give me a quote from the rules that specifies these restrictions? I just reread it, and I don't see it... :( In general, dear Xaker, I want to remind you of the case with the avatar of one of the female users (it seems to be Ksara). This is the second time you have stepped on the same rake, but if the situation was more local then, now everything is much more serious. If you are a supporter of the rules, then please follow them yourself. According to the current state of affairs and the current rules, there is NO prohibition on discussing even prostitution. The rules, in my opinion, should be written for a fool, and not as we have now, with an emphasis on moral and ethical norms, which essentially amounts to the subjective opinion of a moderator/coordinator. Moreover, if you approach it from the position of a "fool," it is bad for both the moderator and the user, because 50-90% of all posts in a topic include 15% off-topic/spam, and 30-50% of all posts have more than 30% off-topic/spam, which means they need to be edited/deleted according to the rules (the numbers are approximate, just based on observations of the 4th game section, which should be one of the quietest). On the other hand, in the notorious "spam" section, you can't swear, post spam links, or post pornography; everything else is allowed according to the rules. If you disagree, please provide a quote from the rules.

In the spam section, you can discuss topics that do not fall into any other section of the forum. Initially, this was the "What Fans of Heroes Love" section, but due to the overload of various topics, the current section was created. In general, there should not be such sections on this type of portal. But since users really wanted to talk about various topics, such a section still appeared. This provides a fairly high level of freedom. But sometimes, as we have already seen, freedom turns into impudence, and measures have been taken.

This is called: finding a convenient explanation for yourself... I just don't understand... the chat is not working again, the forum is periodically unavailable, there have been almost no moderators for a long time, and, in my opinion, it is quite logical that users, especially those who have come to love HW, have tried to revive it themselves and make it more pleasant for themselves. Since everyone has different tastes, this is where the inconsistencies arise. But in this case, the administration (I don't want to write moderators/coordinators) should only eliminate critical outbursts, and in a way that is not obvious. But it turned out as always, and the authors of the posts in this topic are a good example of this, or rather, the state of their accounts (it seems that two are banned, one is now blue (was green), and the rest have probably not yet been found to be punished). In conclusion, I want to say that as long as it is easier for the same coordinators (sorry, I'll combine them, although all three "bright blue" are different people) to ban an undesirable person than to fundamentally (do you feel the pun?) solve the problem, the situation will remain the same... and perhaps it will even roll faster into the abyss, and I'm afraid that HW will lose much more than it can gain. With remaining respect, ZYbr

It seems you have nothing better to do, searching for inconsistencies and hidden meanings, trying to accuse each other without even knowing what you're accusing them of. Just be straightforward, gentlemen...
We urgently need the sixth installment of the series...

The actions of moderators and coordinators are not to be discussed...
However, you can report them to the Creator if their actions are unlawful.
I hope it is now clear how these two points coexist.

Therefore, you can take them as an example, but keep in mind that they also engage in idle chatter with the same activity and enthusiasm; they are just older and have a higher level of culture, but this criterion does not depend on the forum.

You are right, everything depends on the users of this resource, as we know, only a few raise scandals. And those scandals don't last long...
In general, one must know moderation and be responsible for one's words; these actions have been discussed many times, believe me, no one would delete anything without a reason...

I don't want to disappoint you, but that hasn't been the case for a long time. Of the three words, only "separate" remains.

There was a very remarkable phrase in the movie "The Dog's Heart," which also applies to this situation. The doctor says it to his assistant.
The phrase is as follows: "If I stay at home and do nothing, then I will definitely end up in ruin."
And it applies to our forum: "If you don't consider it that way, then it will never be that way."

Can you give me a quote from the rules that specifies these restrictions? I just reread them, and for some reason, I didn't see it...

Unfortunately, our rules are not perfect, but you shouldn't take advantage of that...