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I think Olem is right. (Well, yes - I don't play much myself these days, it's true :o) But overall, I constantly keep track of the situation, the games, and the strong players. And I also believe that there are two "types" of games - for fun and for tournaments.... Introducing another "tournament" aspect, in my opinion, is not a good idea... It would be too much.

P.S. Don't throw slippers at me - it's just my IMHO :D

Dear Worlders! I am categorically against these new features. And not because of the details, but in essence.
So: 1). I didn't understand the meaning and purpose of this tournament. For me, games are divided into: simple ones that are played during a season, and tournament ones. Accordingly, I treat tournament games with increased responsibility. During the season, I play to improve my skills. Is this tournament just one of many? Or what? Obviously, there shouldn't be too many tournaments. For example, I am interested in participating in such tournaments as Jebus Cross, I want to play in SoY, maybe in Clan War. Everyone has their own thing, but I don't see it here. To find out who plays better, there is a rating (/topic/at/210169/). If you create a tournament to identify the strongest players, then I would be interested in participating in a tournament with the strongest players from other resources (I hope to reach the level of such tournaments someday). But creating a tournament to identify the strongest player "in our environment" seems uninteresting to me. For example, based on saves, it’s already clear who is who.

2). Setting the goal of playing only against opponents of equal strength is wrong.

I agree with Pasha; I don't understand this kind of tournament at all!!!
And besides, there is such a concept as a player's status. And sometimes they use this status against you if you are defending your point of view, etc.
2) With the creation of this type of tournament, there will be visible inequality among us, which is very regrettable!!!

If such a league is created, I refuse to participate due to moral principles and ethics!:smile29:

2Invisible: before responding, I would think through my answer.
1) Precisely because I didn't understand the goal and meaning, I am against it. What is so unclear here? Yes, I prefer not only to do something but also to know why I am doing it.
2) Regarding the rating, you clearly didn't bother to read the link. I agree that in its current form, it is not very objective.
3) It's all a bit confusing. I'm explaining my position: I like playing with strong players because it gives me the opportunity to learn something, but sometimes I also play with weaker players because I believe it will give them the opportunity to learn something.
4) In my opinion, it is not forbidden to express one's opinion on the forums, even if it goes against the opinion of the majority.

invisible, it will be the TOP-10 (First League), and playing there will be prestigious! And there will be a Second League, where there will be N number of players, which we need to discuss now. No one is going to create a league of 20 players.
10 players is optimal for the First League, just enough to form a team for the Interportal.

I think we need to discuss the rules/format before the New Year, announce registration for the qualifier during the holidays, and start playing from the 15th. For the qualifier, I think the Swiss system, with 7 rounds, is ideal. If there are few registered players, then we can make only one League with 10 players.

My opinion might not carry much weight here, and I'm not vying for participation, but I can't stay silent in such a discussion.
invisible +1 - in my opinion, in the main tournament, there should be a maximum of 10-11 players; otherwise, the tournament itself loses its meaning. Initially, the tournament was conceived as an elite one, which inherently determines that it is not for everyone. And the main indicator of such a tournament is not even the top 10 players in it, but rather the qualifying round – the more players want to get into the tournament, the harder it is to break through, and the higher the value of a top spot.
Regarding openness/closedness – the tournament should be ABSOLUTELY open to any player from any resource, BUT the initial selection should be made exclusively by the organizers, based on the players' current skill level, IMHO.
2 Oelm, the goal of the tournament is not to create "statuses" but to motivate players to improve their skills and get into the main tournament.

The ranking system has its own set of drawbacks (in my opinion). An equivalent of Ranked Play (or Organized Ranked Play) would serve as a balance for this ranking (a patch, if you will). Regarding status: the ranking system also has its own status. This includes first place, the top five, the top ten, the top twenty, and so on. If you don't care about the ranking, why bother posting reports about your victories? Improving your ranking is essentially improving your status as a player, in the eyes of others (I think everyone will agree). I think you've noticed that the season winners (in our ranking) have a medal under their avatar. Did any of them boast about it so much that they flaunted their status in everyone's face? An equivalent of Ranked Play (or Organized Ranked Play), whatever it's called, will be more objective because it will identify not the most active players, but the strongest ones. (Someone else said this before, and I completely agree!!!) And what's immoral about that? Where do you see the inequality? In the seasonal ranking, I see there's a 120th place and a 10th place. So what? It's still a form of inequality. Not everyone can be in first place, or second, or third, and so on. Some play worse, some play better, and this system will allow us to look at all of this from a more objective perspective and identify the truly strongest player. (All IMHO. No offense.) Yes, by the way, I agree with Invisible and LeBron - the top 10 is perfect! That's what "top" means! PS: While I was writing this, 3 posts were posted. So the topic is relevant!

I completely agree with Ta Kotoraya...

What is the purpose of such a tournament? 1) Skill improvement. Getting into the top ten players in the Stronghold, playing for the Stronghold in team competitions – if that isn't prestigious, then I don't know what prestige is. There's a goal; all that's left is to improve. And, by the way, why play in tournaments at all? If it's just for fun, if you don't want to play against stronger opponents, then your skill will never improve. 2) Identifying the strongest player in the Stronghold using the most objective method.

And then the question arises: will the tournament be closed (within the World of Xeen community) or open?

So, the question is: will the tournament be closed (within the World of Xeen community) or open?

One of the goals of this tournament is to determine the composition of the World of Xeen team for the Interportal competition – from the top 10 players. If players from other resources participate, then there is the following option: the team is selected from the top 10 players and the second league in descending order. And the more good players in the tournament, the better =) The question remains open; let's discuss it without hesitation...

Since I am the only one with the status of tournament curator for Heroes of Might and Magic III, I will take the liberty of announcing my decision to hold such a tournament twice a year. Judging by the voting, the top players will be 10, and it will be a round-robin tournament.
The qualifier will be open to everyone except the bottom five players from the previous top 10 (until the next qualifier), and there will be conditions, such as representing our portal. I think this is fair.
Participation in the tournament is not mandatory - those who don't like this idea can simply not play...

Zhenya +1. I just can't understand those who are against it))). Does it bother you if there's one more tournament? The most interesting thing is that those who are against it have never participated (or are currently not actively participating in tournaments)!
Oelm, do you understand the essence of this tournament now?))) And if you still don't, then

Participation in the tournament is not mandatory - those who don't like this idea can simply not play...

My humble opinion - of course we need to create a group of people (the best of the best) who will defend the interests of HeroesWorld (how many there will be - I think it should be 20, because they must be a team, and a team needs substitutes)!!!
How to determine the best - as in many other sports - a RATING, rating points for defeating an opponent, rating points * N for winning/placing in a tournament, and add a tournament where rating points will be very high (like an annual tournament), which will be a round-robin, gradually taking place over the course of a year - and at the end, it will dot all the i's and cross all the t' s!!!

So, the question is: will the tournament be closed (within the World community) or open?

One of the goals of this tournament is to determine the World team for the Interportal competition, selecting players from the top 10. If players from other platforms participate, here's a possible scenario: the team is formed from the top 10 players and the second-best players from each platform.

What is the purpose of such a tournament?

1) Skill improvement. Getting into the top 10 players on World and playing for World in team competitions – if that isn't prestigious, I don't know what is. There's a goal; all that's left is to improve.
And, by the way, why play in tournaments at all? If it's just for fun, if there's no desire to play against stronger opponents, then skill will never improve.
2) Identifying the strongest player on World using the most objective method.

First, we need to clearly define what we want to achieve with this tournament. A round-robin system, for example, with 10 players, is fair for determining the best, but unlike a Swiss system, where everyone plays, its closed nature will provide little benefit to our platform in terms of skill improvement, and here's why.
How does this prospect sound: in the main World tournament, in the top ten, 6 players are from Bay and 4 are from Portal... Impossible? Not at all, after the scandal, after the public animosity, there was a clear separation of players from these two platforms. And our World is, by definition, neutral, isn't it the perfect battleground for the two platforms, especially since the tournament is intended to be the main online event, like the RPG on Bay?
I recall that in the last major individual World tournament, the top three were not local players. IMO, the entire top ten might not be local, so what's the point of determining the best World player with this tournament? If Pete or Mizrael break through, will we root for them?
We were going to prepare an entire team.

World can become a battleground not only in games but also in conflicts; reading about how a Portal player offended a Bay player, or vice versa, and how they all become... weirdos afterward – I don't want that on World.

Therefore, I suggest deciding on, for example, 2 possible scenarios for the future tournament.
1. We invite everyone. A strong group might gather, we'll read a lot of interesting things along the way, and we'll continue the series about which platform is better.

2. We implement a filter.
2a. A strict filter: only those who consider World their heroic home play. 2b. A selective filter: those who confirm their desire to play for the World team in matches and are not allowed to play against us in inter-platform matches play.

Is that harsh and unfair? Of course. When we will be playing on equal footing with Bay and Portal, then we will remove this restriction; for now, it is important for our platform to nurture its own players (like Pete and Loy) or invite established players (like Uran and Mizrael), and give them a heroic home. Otherwise, we won't escape the label "...oh, they're so funny, they're even trying to move horses..." Since the project is planned to be large, and the best players from our forum (Invisible, Alex R, Eugene, etc.) will participate, we need to approach the issue seriously. And it will be much easier for players to decide whether or not to play.

I believe that since Eugene volunteered to organize such a large tournament, he should decide and think through the issue of the tournament's content. The idea is generally excellent, well done.

1. Everyone is invited. A strong company may gather; along the way we'll read a lot of amusing things, and at the same time we continue the series about whose resource is cooler.

There's no need for HeroesWorld to become a venue for shitfights. And I don't think more than 2 people will come over from Bay.