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Following up on the previous topic...
We were playing with Pete, and the following situation arose (see screenshot). What should be done in this situation? Is it possible to proceed, and if so, where to?
P.S.: The game is Dungeon vs. Necropolis.
This guard represents nothing more than a double guard of the Guard of Order, guarding the passage to the south. A double guard of the Guard of Order cannot guard at a fork, guarding both roads at once. It is possible that the guard is significantly shifted downwards and guards the passage to the east, and the southern respawn is a continuation of its own territory. In these situations, I recommend resolving this issue with the opponent in the chat, asking him if he sees the Guard of Order and where he can go. As a rule, I have encountered this many times and have always found understanding.
Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33:
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loi;201230
As Vicc rightly pointed out, controversial situations are resolved in favor of the player, which means it's possible to pass.
Here, by simply passing by, we automatically trigger a restart upon encountering something!!
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As a rule, I've encountered this many times and always found understanding.
We also agreed via ICQ and found a compromise!

This situation is complicated by the presence of a second mini-passage, which is guarded by weak creatures... So, if I, for example, kill the weak creatures, can I pass through the Gate of Oblivion?
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This situation is complicated by the presence of a second mini-path, which is guarded by "rags"... So, if I, for example, kill the "rags", can I pass through the Gate of the Overworld? Is that correct?
The "rags" guard the passage to an adjacent grassy area. There should also be a guard on the path from the grassy area to the enemy's area. You need to break through it, and then you will be able to penetrate the enemy's home area.
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Rags guard the passage to the adjacent grass respawn. From the grass, there should also be a guard to the opponent's respawn. You need to break through it, and then it will be possible to penetrate the opponent's home respawn.
So I cannot go down to the mud without breaking through ГО? And what if the opponent is on the right? And what is he supposed to do?
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So I can't pass the vines on the dirt without breaking through ГО? What if the opponent is on the right? And what is he supposed to do then?
Damn, I advise you to carefully study the structural diagram of the template! The grass respawn is an adjacent respawn. There must be a guard between each respawn. Accordingly, to get past ГО, you need to go through the adjacent secondary zone, breaking through the corresponding guard along the way. The guard ON the secondary zone in this case is the rags, and the guard from the adjacent secondary zone to the opponent's respawn should be somewhere nearby, it's just not visible in the screenshot.
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Following up on the previous topic...
We were playing with Pete, and the following situation arose (see screenshot). What should be done in this situation? Is it possible to pass through, and if so, where?
P.S.: The game is Dungeon vs. Necropolis.

If we consider that you were adjacent (one to the right, and one to the left), then you cannot go in the direction that Shakti is going.

If we consider that one was below, then you can go the same way as Shakti.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Man, you should carefully study the structural diagram of the template!
Well, I really did see the diagram... I can't look at it right now because the game hasn't been played yet! And I'm just not entirely sure how to handle the situation. So, the opponent can go down, but I can't? Is that right? Or can the opponent also not go down?

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If we take into account that you were adjacent (one on the right, and another on the left), then you can't go in the direction that Shakti is going.

If we take into account that one was below, then you can go the same way that Shakti is going.
But how do I know where he is? I can't see it at the moment! And it's not even Shakti ;)
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And frankly, it's not entirely clear how to handle this situation. So, can the opponent go down, but I can't? Or can the opponent also not go down?
But why would he go down if he's already there?!! I mentioned at the beginning that there's a 99% chance that to the right is the continuation of your home base, and GO is guarding the passage to the south towards the opponent!
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In such cases, it is worth sending the save file to the tournament organizer so that they can provide clarification on where you can go and where you cannot.

Ideally, grass should be your secondary terrain, and the opponent should be below. However, it is possible that the path downwards leads further into the grass, and the opponent is to the right. Therefore, if the opponent has not reached the Guardian of the Grail themselves and cannot explain the situation, it is worth seeking help from the judge.
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Sem_56 (red, Tower, Nella, Nella) KING DRAGON (blue, Dungeon, Shakti, Shakti)
The opponent broke the rules, took the Utopia without breaking the guard!!
Plus, after losing his main troops, he started summoning earth elementals, which, as I was told, is not allowed!!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Plus after losing main troops, started summoning earth elementals—according to what I was told, this is not allowed!!
Got it about the utopia, but what do elementals have to do with it?:confused:
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Is it possible to summon elementals after losing most of your main troops (all of them), and did you manage to win thanks to them?
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Is it possible to summon elementals after losing the main troops (all of them)? That's how I managed to win....
Of course you can! As many as you want!!!

The question is, was the Dragon Utopia guard actually a deciding factor in terms of recording the violation? Or were they simply killed without any losses?
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There was a stack of arch devils; the opponent had 1 less speed and there would have been losses, since the opponent has no recovery...

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KING DRAGON ХВ ‎(19:51):
yeaaah you can't jump twice
KING DRAGON ХВ ‎(19:51):
I attacked)
KING DRAGON ХВ ‎(19:51):
and fled on the second turn
He himself admitted to using Dimension Door, twice!!!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Pete and I were playing and the following situation occurred (see screenshot). What should be done in this case? Is it possible to pass through, and if so, where?
P.S.: Game is Dungeon vs Necro. (c)

Two guards are visible on the script (ГО and witches); there is no 3rd guard for the passage (where the fork is). ГО can only guard either the southern passage or the eastern one; you need to move the image around here, but if I have to say right away, I assume: ГО should be guarding the eastern passage, otherwise the generator glitched too hard, and therefore it's possible to go down by defeating the witches.

P.S.: if the opponent is in the south - this is exactly the situation where a restart upon encounter is needed, which I propose implementing up to 114 inclusive.

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Question: did the Dragon Utopia guard actually resolve it such that a violation was recorded? Maybe they were just killed without losses?(c)

This is a building (Dragon Utopia) where I have never seen shifted guards before, and I think it's impossible not to notice them, unless one was heavily distracted and the player, caught up in the moment, passed by (which is difficult without magic, but not always), but then they would still have noticed eventually?! - and should have immediately informed the opponent; if they didn't inform them, I consider this an intentional violation of the rules.
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