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Heh... even imagining such an NF is impossible :) let alone defeating it)
This is beyond the limits of what a living organism can handle.
And where have you seen a dragon with scales made of diamonds? At most, it could be a very hard stone.
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And why do you think a blaster beam will simply slide off a dragon?
Dragons have super-tough skin that nothing can penetrate :D:D:D
And in general, it's impossible to kill a dragon. :D

P.S.: I hope everyone understands that I'm not being serious :D

P.P.S.: XEL, you really don't need to double-post. You can just add to your previous post.

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But the dragon doesn't have four-meter scales.
It won't pierce through.
Who said a dragon's scales are made of stone? :) Even stone won't be pierced by an AK, unless it's very thin...
Those same Imperial fighters are much faster than your dragon.
Dragons are quite slow (compared to planes and ship fighters).
Some dragons can cast teleportation spells ;)
And by the way, it's not a fact that they are slower. :)
And why do you think a blaster bolt will simply slide off the dragon?
The scales reflect energy. :)
This is beyond the capabilities of the physiology of a living organism.
No, here the question is not about the physiology of a living organism. :)
You're also going to say that the dragons of Arcanum aren't fire-breathing? Fire elementals?
And where have you seen a dragon with diamond scales? At most, very hard stone.
I've seen many of them :) But more often, the scales are stronger. :)
And in general, it's impossible to kill a dragon.
You're right. :)
Those same Imperial fighters.
Excellent, all the Empire's troops will fight the dragon! :smile01: :D
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Who said that dragon scales are made of stone? Even stone won't withstand an AK, unless it's very thin...
I meant that it will chip off pieces.
No, here the question is not about the physiology of a living organism.
And you'll say that the dragons of Arcanum aren't fire-breathing? Or that fire elementals aren't fire-breathing?
That's something else entirely.

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An AK can penetrate stone. And not just an AK. Armor-piercing bullets can penetrate tank armor, so what's the problem with stone or dragon scales?
Dragon scales are most likely similar to stone in their properties. They are definitely not metallic or diamond-like.
One fighter jet would be enough to kill at least a few dragons.
The idea that dragon scales reflect energy is completely unfounded and far-fetched, only to make dragons seem even more powerful and invulnerable.
You're also saying that Arcat's dragons aren't fire-breathing? Are they fire elementals?
They are fire elementals.
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It's definitely not made of metal or diamonds.
Why is that?:) It's not based on anything.
One fighter will be enough to kill at least a few dragons.
Why?:) How? In the end, you'll only get cooked pilots:)
The fact that a dragon's scales reflect energy is completely unfounded and far-fetched, just to make dragons super-powerful and invulnerable again.
It's actually based on something. It reflects magical energy. If it reflects magical energy, then a pathetic bunch of simple protons won't be a hindrance to it.
They are super-powerful and invulnerable:)
Fire elementals.
Arcata dragons.
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Okay, if a dragon's hide reflects magic, energy, bullets, projectiles, doesn't get wet in the rain, and protects from heat and cold, then, I repeat, why is the dragon killed by some pathetic knight with a simple sword in his hand?
And don't tell me that he was just bragging in a tavern to impress the waitress.
It's definitely not metallic or diamond.

Why is that? There's no basis for it.
Because otherwise, they wouldn't be able to move, let alone fly, because there's no aerodynamics, no feathers to keep them in the air, and their body mass is around ten tons. And don't start saying something like "their magic keeps them in the air," because that would be completely stupid.
I'm going to burst your bubble, but Dragons are cold-blooded creatures.
But since they move, and quite actively, they emit heat. That's how it is with reptiles;)
Besides, they have a furnace in their belly to breathe fire.
A blaster is just a charged beam of energy) it will slip through and won't reflect like a laser)
If you insist on that, imagine the blaster hitting a pumpkin, causing injuries to the poor lizard's head. And if it doesn't hit, it ignites the air, which quickly burns out, and the dragon has nothing to breathe. Or the fire penetrates the lungs and esophagus. I doubt that if a dragon breathes air normally, the furnace is not a separate organ, which means inhaling hot air is, let's say, unpleasant.
Some Dragons can cast teleportation;)
And by the way, it's not a fact that they are slower.
Some Inquisitors can perform Exterminatus.

and it's a fact that they are slower. Don't forget how much effort it takes for a ship to fly just to overcome the planet's gravity, and what overloads it endures. Now, remember how fast dragons fly in games and movies, for example, in your beloved Eragon. I doubt they are even faster than a military helicopter.
It would be a great sight, a huge ship chasing a dragon. Awesome!! X_X
Nonsense, a huge ship will just aim its guns, and the dragon will try to escape them if it's not stupid.

...in the end, the long-suffering Smaug was killed by a single arrow that hit its belly. There is no super-imba scale on their belly.

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P.S. A laser will reflect off a good, smooth, clean mirror without causing any damage, because it is nothing more than a directed beam of light.

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P.P.S. Dragons' skin is absolutely not mirror-like; at most, it can have a shine in sunlight, but that's it.
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All genres are good, except for boring ones (I don't remember who said that – it seems like Voltaire), and also, except for outright stupid commercial stuff like Dondsova's books. I won't even participate in this compromising poll: both genres are close to me – I definitely loved fantasy more before (especially its humorous subgenre, my favorite author is M. Uspensky), and this year I "stumbled upon" the Strugatsky brothers (and don't you dare say they are "stupid domestic science fiction writers" – I'll laugh). By the way, I haven't read Zhelezny yet – are they good? I'll look for them, as they say... And by the way, the Strugatsky brothers have one work that is, shall we say, at the intersection of these two genres: "Hard to Be a God." So there's no need to start wars here! P.S. And how can dragons be invulnerable if even weaker units kill them in packs?
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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"It's hard to be a god" at the intersection? And where is the magic in this book? How does it connect with fantasy?
Военное дело просто и вполне доступно здравому уму человека. Но воевать сложно.
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It certainly is. It reflects magical energy. If it reflects magical energy, then a pathetic bunch of simple protons won't be a hindrance to it.
What does magical energy have to do with it? We're talking about a blaster.
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They are incredibly powerful and invulnerable:)
These are just your assumptions and exaggerations due to your personal fondness for dragons. To say that a dragon cannot be killed by a blaster or a rocket is simply absurd.
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Why is that?:) It's not based on anything.
Locken already explained it above.
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Why is that?:) It's not based on anything.

Why?:) How? In the end, you'll only get cooked pilots:)
Yes, the dragons of Arcanum are fire elementals. Or do they also have diamond scales that are impenetrable?
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Why?:) How? In the end, you'll only get cooked pilots:)
Yes. A fighter can fire from its ship's cannon, which will pierce the hide of any dragon. So, at least several dragons can be shot down. And by the way, the armor of the same fighter is not the armor of a knight.
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Is "It's Hard to Be a God" at the intersection of genres? And where is the magic in this book? How does it connect with fantasy?

Yes, there is no "classic" magic in the book, of course. I didn't quite express myself correctly with "at the intersection" - it's basically science fiction with some elements that are characteristic of fantasy: a medieval setting (primarily) - with all the consequences, such as swords, axes, the Inquisition, barons, beer, rebellions, and faith in the help of higher powers "possessing magic." In a way, it's even fantasy turned inside out: in the sense that it's the same plot, but without explanations about "magical" hoops with video cameras, without descriptions of the "meeting" of Earthlings, and we would think that Baron Rumata is actually some kind of demigod or someone like a superhero (Hercules, Theseus, Volkodav, to name a few) - something like that.
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Okay, if a dragon's hide deflects magic, energy, bullets, projectiles, doesn't get wet in the rain, and protects against heat and cold, then, I repeat, why is a dragon killed by some pathetic Knight with a simple sword in his hand?
Bullets simply won't penetrate, and it's hard to hit with a projectile.
This Knight (just one?! Well, well... even logically, you can figure it out...) is holding a sword made of an unknown metal and, again, with unknown enchantments.
This isn't pure magic; it's a way of giving the sword certain properties.
otherwise, they wouldn't be able to move, let alone fly.
No one said that a dragon's hide is a solid frame. It's scales.
Why do they need feathers? Bats don't have them either, and they fly.
They are supported in the air by incredible strength.
And why couldn't magic support them?
reptiles are like that.
Reptiles are like that.
Dragons are dragons. They are not cold-blooded.
if you insist on this, imagine that a blaster hits a pumpkin, inflicting injuries to the head of the poor lizard. And if it doesn't hit, it ignites the air, which quickly burns out, and the dragon has nothing to breathe. Or the fire penetrates the lungs and esophagus. I doubt that if a dragon breathes air calmly, the furnace is not a separate organ, which means that inhaling hot air is, let's say, unpleasant.
I'm not insisting. The dragon has nothing to breathe? How powerful must the blaster be to burn so much air? Where will you get a metal for a weapon that won't melt when fired?
To exhale fire, you need a lot of air. A dragon can provide itself with air for breathing for a long time by sacrificing the air intended for flames.
I don't think the dragon will suffer much from hot air after exhaling flames; the air isn't particularly cool then either.
some Inquisitors can perform Exterminatus.
Is this magic?
I doubt it's faster than even a military helicopter.
No one has seen what they are capable of. And if a ship needs to overcome various physical obstacles, then a dragon that can cast teleport has to overcome something greater...
nonsense, a huge ship will simply aim its guns, but the dragon will try to escape from them if it's not stupid.
Nevertheless, it will be funny to see a ship firing all its guns at a single dragon.
in the end, the long-suffering Smog was killed by a single arrow that hit him in the belly. There is no super-imba scale on their belly.
1. This single arrow was very unusual. Don't tell me...
2. Smog had a hole in his belly... 2x2 cm. It's all about accuracy.
How can dragons be invulnerable if weaker units, almost in packs, kill them?
In what ratio? And nothing is known about the nature of these units.
Cheers :)
What does magical energy have to do with it?
Isn't a blaster energy?
These are just your assumptions and stretches based on your personal sympathy for dragons. Saying that a dragon cannot be killed by a blaster or a rocket is just nonsense.
I am providing arguments. Where are yours now? :)
Yes, the dragons of Arkata are fire elementals. Or do they also have diamond scales that are impenetrable?
They are made of fire. Creations of fire. It will be difficult to destroy fire with fire. And they clearly can't be extinguished with water.
If you give a cyborg a sword and put him in armor, he won't do anything to an Arkata Dragon, but Knights can compete. So, they are not ordinary.
A fighter will fire from a ship's gun, which will pierce the hide of any dragon. So, at least several dragons can be shot down. And by the way, the armor of the same fighter is not a knight's armor.
What does it mean, a fighter will fire? Charge and send it straight? How to hit?
Not armor. However, Knights clearly don't have ordinary armor either.
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Vis, if dragons are, in your opinion, invulnerable to energy and magic, fly at supersonic speeds, can teleport, have a thick layer of diamond scales, fly, have fiery blood, and are practically invulnerable, then how do knights with very rarely enchanted weapons defeat them?
Fire elementals are creatures born of fire.
What does it mean for a fighter to fire? To charge and shoot in a straight line? How does it hit?
I can't stand it when people, trying to defend their point of view, start engaging in such nitpicking and clinging to words and typos. You immediately understood that there was a typo here and it should have been "the fighter can fire."
I am providing arguments. Where are yours now?
Revan, Locke, and I have provided enough arguments; read the thread.
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Bullets simply won't penetrate, and it's hard to hit with a projectile.
This Knight (just one?! Well, well... even logically, you can figure it out...) is holding a sword made of an unknown metal, and again, unknown enchantments are placed on it.
This is not pure magic; it's a way to give the sword certain properties.
It will penetrate easily, and you'll hit perfectly. As you can see, I can write the same thing and it won't be easy to refute, right?

It's just ordinary metal, with no properties. Do you want me to refute it for you right away?
"No, it's enchanted metal, with a lot of magic!!". We repeat the paragraph from beginning to end again and again, and there's nothing new. It's getting boring.
No one said that dragon hide is a solid frame. It's scales.
Why would they need feathers? Bats don't have them either, and they fly.
They are supported in the air by incredible strength.
And why wouldn't magic support them?
Bats are very light, and their wings, in relation to their body, are huge, which cannot be said about a flying lizard.
There is no incredible strength. A dragon is not stronger than a giant or a cyclops. Besides, to stay in the air with such wings, it would also be necessary to flap them quickly in the air, with "incredible strength."
No one knows what they are capable of. And if a ship needs to overcome various physical obstacles, then a dragon that can cast teleportation has to overcome something even greater...
Dragons cannot cast teleportation.
Any questions?
In what proportion? And nothing is known about the nature of these units.
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Peasants. A hundred or half a hundred peasants kill a flying creature with their old, grandfather's pitchforks. Are their pitchforks magical?
1. This single arrow was very unusual. Don't tell me...
2. Smok had a hole in his belly... 2x2 cm. It's all about accuracy.
1. The arrow was perfectly ordinary, just a favorite. Reread the book.
2. This hole was in the coating of dragon stones, which had grown into the dragon's belly over time, thereby covering it with a hard layer. Without this incident, his belly was completely bare, as dragons are not born with gemstones embedded in their stomachs.

I'm tired of this. It's clear that a dragonophile will look for any, even the most stupid and obviously false arguments to defend their point of view.
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