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17 years ago
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Heh) Undead are just more unpleasant – they stink, and you can get dirty. And demons (as Lock already said) are more brutal and generally have some connection to heavy metal =Ъ
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17 years ago
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And in Disciple, it seems that demons were also originally on a different plane of existence, and only a small group of them were on Earth. And they were trying to bring Besrezen to this plane...
And they are still trying...
Besrezen was originally an angel who, at the behest of High Phazer, created Nevendar - the world of Disciple. But, since even in paradise there are many envious people (angels of a lower rank), they sowed discord among the peoples of Nevendar, a war began, and everyone killed each other. High Phazer was angered by this chaos, and, without thinking, banished Besrezen to hell, along with his people-followers, who later became cursed.
That is why the race is called that, although it includes both cursed people and demons, who were already there before, but lived exclusively in the underworld.

...in general, what Arom said about the undead is true - most undead are just mindless automatons, obeying the will of a necromancer. The exceptions are liches, vampires, and the like. The goal of simple undead is to serve their master-necromancer, or to wander aimlessly around. Well, ghosts also scare people. "Noble" undead, i.e., those with consciousness, most often want to gain immense power and punish everyone.
And for me, only dragons are purely positive, and even with exceptions.
I hasten to disappoint you: most often dragons are greedy and cruel bastards who sometimes strive to become dracolichs and gain immortality along with unlimited power.
Do bandits fear the devil when they kill their victims? No, they fear the spirits of the people they killed. They don't think about getting to hell. They think about how not to meet the ghost (of the killed one). And finally, everyone is afraid of death. Everyone wants to live. And that is why people depicted death as a skeleton with a scythe, and not as a demon with cards in his hands, smoking a cigarette. Because a skeleton is scarier.
Bandits are afraid of meeting a guardian, not of going to hell, or of greeting a ghost.
People depicted death as an old woman with a scythe not because "a skeleton is scarier," but because death is associated with this - with a corpse that decomposes to the state of only a skeletal base. Everyone has seen corpses, but demons - only witches and fools, "who have no place in civilized society."
And I doubt that every senior demon or imp is a concentration of cunning, terrible power, and wisdom)
There are lower castes everywhere, you know) But those very demons who are busy whispering heresy into inexperienced ears, who are busy with corruption and concluding contracts for souls with ordinary mortals - they are something more than just some pathetic little imp;)
In any case, a demon can not only kill everyone, like some random lich, but also convert a fool to his faith. After all, I have never had to eradicate sects that worship the undead.
That is why a demon is much more dangerous and terrible than a zombie) A demon cannot be killed (=
He will only "go back to hell" in most cases. But if you cut off the head of a zombie or vampire, that's it.
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17 years ago
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Demons are more dangerous, so I voted for them. But undead are scarier in appearance. However, appearances can be deceiving. Unlike the straightforward and unintelligent undead, demons can (and often do) take indirect routes, and often someone, thinking they are fighting against demons, actually helps them. They are too cunning, which is why they are more dangerous.
Loken, you made a slight mistake with the history of the discipline. The creatures created by Bezresen were cursed by envious angels, and they became demons. Before that, there were no demons.
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17 years ago
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But the angels were envious. Descending to earth, they sowed hatred and discord among the previously peaceful tribes of Nевендаар. Malice and greed gripped the hearts of the sons of Betrezen, and the Humans waged war against their brethren, sweeping away everything in their path. And the beauty of Nевендаар faded before the horror of the war unleashed by Man…

The Almighty looked upon the lands of Nевендаар and was filled with sacred horror. Where was the harmony that Betrezen had spoken of? Where were the endless green pastures? The Almighty saw only discord and suffering, only the land scorched by merciless wars.

And divine wrath shook the heavens. For Nевендаар was not destined to become the pride and joy of the Almighty: Betrezen had betrayed his Father. And the rebellious angel was punished and banished to the Chaos forever. And then, filled with great wrath, the fallen Angel created a merciless horde of demons. So that, if not himself, then his earthly servants would take revenge on the ungrateful human race…

Betrezen's hatred further fueled the bloodthirsty demons: they were only waiting for the moment when war would completely exhaust the human race. While awaiting the appointed hour, the demons turned their predatory gazes towards the elven forests...
as you can see, the angels did not curse anyone, but simply sowed Chaos and Heresy in the hearts of the inexperienced.
The people of Betrezen followed him and were cursed by High Fazer. Consequently, it is impossible to enter Hell and remain uncursed.
and in the "Chaos," where Betrezen went, there were already demons. It is Chaos, after all. There are always demons there, aren't there?
so some of them - imps, gargoyles, for example - are demons "by nature."
and others, such as Modeus or a succubus, are precisely "cursed" people who ended up in Hell after him, and therefore, thanks to High Fazer.
I read this somewhere before;)
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17 years ago
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I don't really like demons! I honestly don't know who came up with the idea of living dead first... But demons are mentioned in the Bible. I don't remember exactly how it happened, but it seems like the angel Lucifer (bearer of light) betrayed someone or something... So demons are worse!
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17 years ago
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I think some people often stray into the wrong topic. The question is which is scarier, not which is stronger. And in general, I believe the Bible says not to fear demons or devils. It says, I think, that God will protect you. Always believe in God, and He will protect you from all troubles. That's why people didn't used to be afraid of these horned demons, holding a cigarette in their teeth and cards in their hands:smile51:.
17 years ago
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Don't mix reality with fantasy.
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17 years ago
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Artes as undead is just a puppet of Ner'zhul, and nothing more. He wasn't pursuing anything on his own; Ner'zhul was leading him to free himself. Artes ceased to be just a tool only when he merged with Ner'zhul.
Oh, of course, that's how it is) But since the blade imposed its will on him, what did Arthas essentially become? Wasn't he an embodiment of will?) And isn't it the blade's will that then has "mind and meaning"? :)
2+2=4+0)
I may not have studied the entire history of Warcraft thoroughly, except for reading excerpts from books, but I remember that his charisma didn't disappear with the acquisition of the blade, except that it moved in a dark direction)
If he is so "stupid and meaningless," then why is he needed? If there wasn't this "stupid and meaningless" death knight, Ner'zhul would still be sitting somewhere.
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I hasten to disappoint you: most often, dragons are greedy and cruel bastards who sometimes also strive to become dracoliches and gain immortality along with unlimited power.
All the dragons I've seen are good and fluffy. They just don't like uninvited guests. Of course, when brave knights in crowds rush into a cave with the aim of cutting the dragon into pieces and taking its treasures, it should sing songs of happiness and, dancing, offer its head to the sword :)
And regarding those who crave to transform into dracoliches... I haven't seen any. Even a couple of dracoliches, not deprived of will and soul, committed all their evil deeds only to regain their true essence.
in any case, a demon can not only kill everyone, like some random lich, but also convert a fool into its faith. in the end, I have not had to eradicate sects that worship the undead.
that is why a demon is much more dangerous and terrible than a corpse) a demon cannot be killed (=
he will only "go back to hell" in most cases. but if you cut off the head of a zombie or vampire, that's it.
The undead also very persistently converts people to their faith;)
If you cut off a zombie's head, it is unlikely to harm it in any way...
And a vampire can be easily resurrected.
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17 years ago
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The rebellious angel was punished and banished to the Chaos forever. Filled with great wrath, the fallen Angel created a merciless horde of demons.
Well, firstly, Lok, in your own quote, it says that there were no demons in the Chaos initially; they were created by Bezresen. As for the origin of the information you provided, I have no idea where it came from, but here is my statement – a direct quote from the first Disciples game.
WisTrit;200056
Oh, of course, that's how it is) But since the blade imposed its will on him, what did Arthas essentially become? Wasn't he an embodiment of the blade's will?) And doesn't the blade's will then have "reason and meaning"?:)
2+2=4+0)
I may not have studied the entire history of Warcraft thoroughly, except for reading excerpts from the books, but I remember that his charisma didn't disappear with the acquisition of the blade, except that it moved in a dark direction)
If he is so "stupid and meaningless," then why is he needed?... If this "stupid and meaningless" death knight didn't exist, Ner'zhul would still be sitting somewhere.
:p
Please don't confuse things. Arthas didn't want to help Ner'zhul, but after receiving the blade, he lost his will, although his mind remained. He has intellect, but he lacks freedom of thought. This is what distinguishes a tool from a personality, which is why it cannot be said that Arthas went anywhere on his own; he didn't choose the goal, and he couldn't refuse it.
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17 years ago
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I'm not confusing things; I'm making assumptions and building my own silly theories. Here:
Intelligence exists, but there is no freedom of thought. This is what distinguishes a tool from a person, which is why it cannot be said that Arthas went anywhere on his own; he didn't choose the goal, and he couldn't refuse it.
And here:
Oh, of course, that's how it is. But since the blade imposed its will on him, what did Arthas become? Wasn't he the embodiment of the blade's will?
Arthas, in essence, doesn't exist, right? There's only the will of the blade, which erased him. Is that correct?
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17 years ago
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Just look at the kind, sweet faces of these demons, and you'll immediately understand that undead are much scarier...
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17 years ago
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It was said that they are more terrifying, not stronger.
So, is something stronger not terrifying?:rolleyes:
I've seen many dragons, and they were all kind and fluffy. They just don't like uninvited guests. Of course, when brave Knights in large groups rush into a cave with the goal of cutting the dragon into pieces and taking its treasures, it should sing songs of happiness and, while dancing, offer its head to the sword.
And regarding those who crave transformation into Dracolich... I haven't seen any. Even a couple of Dracolichs, not devoid of will and soul, committed all their evil deeds only to regain their true essence.
Yeah, right?)
What about Smaug from "The Hobbit"? What about the dragon from "The Guardians"? What about the dragon from some Alliance mission in Warcraft 3?:D
Of course, there are kind dragons, but most of them are jerks.
And they, on the contrary, crave to become Dracolichs, because it will give them all sorts of new dark magic potential.
The undead, by the way, are also very persistent in converting others to their faith.
If you cut off a zombie's head, it's unlikely to harm it...
And a vampire can be easily resurrected.
A zombie will be harmed by having its head cut off, for example, as in Resident Evil.
Well, and in games, they somehow die, and I wouldn't say it's very difficult.
And how will you resurrect a vampire if it was turned to ashes? Sometimes the ashes even disappear :O
Well, firstly, Lock, in your quote, it says that there were no demons in Chaos initially; they were created by Bezresen. As for the source of the information you provided, I have no idea where it came from, but here is my statement - a direct quote from the first Disciples game.
My information is the "official lore" of the world. It is found both in the manual and on websites.
And in general, the lore of Disciples is not so thoroughly developed that it doesn't create any inaccuracies and gaps.
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17 years ago
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Demons are still cooler. Stronger. Perhaps not scarier in appearance. But more terrifying. More majestic. That's it.
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17 years ago
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a zombie will be damaged by a severed head, for example, as in the Dungeon.
Besides, in games, they somehow die, and I wouldn't say it's very difficult.
That's how it is in games, but in theory, a zombie doesn't die AT ALL - i.e., the only way to stop it is to chop it into pieces so it can't do anything anymore. :)
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17 years ago
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That's how it is in games, but in theory, a zombie doesn't die AT ALL - meaning the only way to stop it is to chop it into pieces so it can't do anything anymore.

You can also banish the energy that caused the dead creature to resurrect. And demons can be killed like ordinary creatures - by separating their main organ (in humans, it's the heart or brain) from the rest of the body. So, you could say that the undead are more resilient.

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