Fantasy vs. Science Fiction — Books

Loken

17 years ago

Auto-translated

I'll give you a little... you have plenty of your own.
Of course, they appeared a long time ago; consider it the first fantasy.
...and it's not a fact that fantasy stories weren't written before. They just weren't called "fantasy."
It's not a fact.

Yeah, you'll tell me later where you get it from. Mine seems to be a fake.
...the first actual "fantasy" is Tolkien's works, and fairy tales are fairy tales, and nothing else, so what kind of fact is that?

ALL the main characters are the best (regardless of genre).

And who else is a total badass?

It's a bit illogical, but okay.
As for the first point, Samuel Bodryak is quite harmless compared to various super-elves.
As for the second... The Witcher, Beowulf, Conan ;)
Various low-budget Perumov's works also suffer from an abundance of such characters.

[Oh, damn... I got a little confused, yes, everyone makes mistakes... I confused it with the planet where Rat and Elephant threw Zennor.
/QUOTE]
and there are no artifacts, no mercenaries, no corporations. Freudian slips xD
The government is a corporation))) hehe)) and my father is a mercenary?!1 It turns out that life isn't so boring after all.
I also didn't like Potter before because of its popularity and, in general, because of the stupid idea of making money out of nothing.

But I liked it when I read it during my puberty.
It's surprisingly easy to come up with even more ridiculous things, like "Billy the Hero of the Galaxy" x) also sucks. And there are aliens, an empire, a war, and so on.

By the way, the Daughters of the Sky will only feed the cyborgs with energy!!111 They will grind them into dust!!111 BUAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
...I'm sure they have fuses, or they are lined with an insulator on the inside. What is some kind of minor magic for them, killing at most a dozen stupid peasants?

Added after 41 seconds
Great topic - trash, drama, and a post counter! Life is beautiful!

Added after 10 minutes
and NF has finally taken the lead! :P

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

In reply to Loken

Wistrit

17 years ago

Auto-translated

Not necessarily. Just because bread wasn't called bread before doesn't mean it was a stone. ;)

It's a bit illogical, but okay.

I didn't mean literally into pieces, into a pure meat puree. :D
And I asked who tears everyone into a pure meat puree. ;)

Did he tear everyone up anyway?:)

The Witcher?.. no, never mind.))
Beowulf? Hmm... well, how can I put it...)) especially at the very end:D he couldn't resist and tore himself apart. ;D
I don't like Conan at all, and I never have... so no comment. :)

"- the sky is on fire...
- Are you an idiot? How can the sky be on fire???" (c);)
because they still hire. A mercenary... it doesn't necessarily have to be a guy in full power armor with a gauss rifle under his arm, guarding caravans (otherwise, God forbid, someone might rob them...):)

Billy, the hero of the galaxy, is a different kind of joke...

by the way, the daughters of the sky will only feed the cyborgs with energy!!111 they will grind them into dust!!111 BUAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
...I'm sure they have fuses, or they are lined with an insulator on the inside, which is some kind of magic for them, killing at most a dozen stupid peasants?

No way!111
First, we hit them with lightning!111 we slow down the cyborgs!111 we speed up the daughters!!!111
There's also blood rage!!111
The cyborgs are doomed! Definitely!!
And it's not just a dozen peasants.

P.S. truly, this is a great topic. Let's fill it with posts. I want the status of Black Dragon =^^=

P.P.S. so what? :p everything will be fine :)

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

In reply to Zybr

Ambery

17 years ago

Auto-translated

probably it all depends on the authors)) because the fantasy of Zheleznyakov is completely different from the cheap stuff of Perumov... therefore, when they start talking about the шаблонность of fantasy, I get a little offended (yes, it is true for many authors, but not for all)) and there are also very interesting and unique things!, which go beyond the stereotypical framework of swords-elves-gnomes, as someone already said... I'm not even talking about the fact that absolutely the same шаблоны exist in science fiction - and here again everything depends on the level of the author, his talent and imagination...
but in general, I think the most important thing is that the book has meaning, an idea - then it won't matter whether it's SF or F - the main thing is that it will be interesting to read)))

Loken

17 years ago

Auto-translated

the government doesn't hire soldiers. it pays them a minimum wage, or even less, and they work tirelessly for it. moreover, they work not for personal gain, but because they are forced to, or out of a "sense of patriotism." whether you like Conan or not doesn't change anything. a fairy tale is a fairy tale, and that's that. different genres, different requirements. I've stated a fact. you can search the internet for the differences. P.S. I'm telling you, you can't defeat Necron Warriors with daughters; I've done it a hundred times. it won't work. besides, why go through the valley when you can send in a monolith, or use vehicles, or just launch a rocket?

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

In reply to Loken

Wistrit

17 years ago

Auto-translated

Okay, "mercenaries" – think of it as "soldiers," "servants," "workers," etc.

Okay, Conan. What's next? Let him wander around and tear everyone to pieces? He's alone.

Wiki or something:

Can anyone explain to me why the borrowed word "fantasy" is used instead of the Russian word "skazka" (fairy tale)? I think the phrase "Sumerian fantasy" is completely absurd, instead of "Sumerian fairy tales," or "philosophical fantasy" instead of "philosophical fairy tales." There also seems to be no consistency in determining the gender of the word "fantasy."

There is a fundamental difference between a folk tale, a literary tale, and fantasy – a genre of fiction. And this is emphasized in the article. Fantasy is no less influenced by the chivalrous adventure novel, the historical novel, and detailed world-building, and internal consistency. While a fairy tale is a completely abstract abstraction, often allegorical, and not limited by the reality created by the author.

I believe that a fairy tale is an "abstract fantasy." Why not?

P.S. It's possible, very easily. I've checked. You can also cast fire traps, walls of swords, fire walls, and other nonsense in the valley. And against a rocket, a celestial shield is easy, or you can find gremlins-breakers in the worst case.

P.P.S. Who messed up the count again??:smile51:

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

Loken

17 years ago

Auto-translated

no, mercenaries are mercenaries, soldiers are soldiers. Jimmy is Jimmy)

There is a fundamental difference between a folk tale, a literary tale, and fantasy – a genre of fiction.

That's why)

P.S. Slavik, why go through a valley with fire traps, walls of swords, and other nonsense?
Gremlin Breakers don't understand high-tech machinery, and no one will let them get close enough to the battlefield – they'll be shot with gauss rifles or the same monolith.
And the Sky Shield is too weak to protect against an entire explosion, plus it requires a lot of mana. But there are whole crates of rockets.
And of course, I won't ask why Gremlin Breakers, goblins, and daughters ended up in the same army xD
If it's Blood Fury, then the hero is an orc and can't place traps or walls of swords in principle. If not an orc, then the shamans have no Blood Fury, which means – the same ten peasants for a cast.
Right?;)

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

Майор Вихрь

17 years ago

Auto-translated

ZZY: Fantasy and Sci-Fi are once again equal, and what does this say? Correct, it means that neither genre dominates; they are two independent genres... Sci-Fi is loved just as much as fantasy, and vice versa.

No, rather it suggests that half lean towards fantasy, and the other half towards Sci-Fi. And in general, 20 votes is hardly enough to draw any conclusions. However, it seems to me that the ratio is approximately like that...

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal

In reply to Майор Вихрь

Wistrit

17 years ago

Auto-translated

No, mercenaries are mercenaries, soldiers are soldiers. Jimmy is Jimmy.

Well, if that’s what you want:)
But then there can be no talk of students with overpowered artifacts in their mouths, eager to take revenge on universal evil. Because these are truly different things.

That’s why.

I think the phrase "Sumerian fantasy" is complete nonsense, rather than "Sumerian tales" or "philosophical fantasy" instead of "philosophical tales." For some reason, there is no consistency in the definition of the gender of the word "fantasy."

Wikipedia. A shroud for the dead, sewn to perfection:) In essence, fantasy is something more than:

no less influence of the knightly adventure novel, the historical novel, a detailed description of the world, internal consistency.

And if we’re going to go that far, we can also consider Ray Bradbury to be a philosopher.

P.S. Gremlins are capable of dealing with a ballista that fires automatically at a rate of one shot per second without outside help, with self-igniting arrows. I can’t imagine what they would do with a rocket...:)
Celestial Shield can be cast many times, there is a lot of mana. But rockets run out. Unlike archers’ arrows, which they draw from a cart with ammunition.
No one said that the hero is alone;) An Orc for one unit, a mage for another. :)
Right?;)
P.P.S. And then a Warlock-warrior on a dragon will still fly in and kill everyone, like this :p
P.P.P.S. We are still arguing. :)
P.P.P.P.S. Yes, and SF and Fantasy are 50/50 :) but nevertheless...:)

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

Loken

17 years ago

Auto-translated

by the way, yesterday I started rereading "Jimmy President." It's my favorite part :D, and there's no stupid mockery, just healthy humor in certain places. Bradbury has a lot of philosophical elements in his works. It's just that he didn't write treatises, didn't discuss ideas about the structure of the universe, and so on. ...but no, the ballista fires at a rate of 1-3 shots per turn, not per second. It's easy to destroy, as it stands in one place. But the rocket flies, and quite quickly. I imagine how silly creatures jump, trying to grab onto the rocket to extract the warhead))) remember how much a shield costs, and how much mana a hero has on average. There are more than a hundred rockets, and they are much stronger than ordinary arrows, so the shield will quickly wear out, if it even helps at all, and the mana will run out. and you also need to set up sword walls and fire traps. having several heroes is a bit of a cheat. But what prevents you from taking Necromancers from several Crypts? Besides, they are very difficult to kill. and no traps will help against Wraiths, rapidly closing in on the Shamans under Immortality. and here, on the other hand, Reapers are dug up. The Shamans immediately get -5 to defense, and they can't run away because they are surrounded. and a Necromancer Lord jumps right into the middle of the troops and uses... something. For example, a storm. Or a "flashlight" to silence your archers with infinite arrows (a super-weapon against a cyborg :D). You can also teleport the aforementioned Monolith right into the center of the army. You can capture a ballista. a Warlock on a dragon will fly a little off course from where he would like to fly

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

kcfgogbfalgfl

17 years ago

Auto-translated

P.S. And then a Warlock warrior on a dragon will still come and defeat everyone. That's how it is.

A dragon... is that really the strongest thing that Fantasy can offer?
A group of stormtroopers will take down your dragon :-P. No scales can withstand that :)
P.S.: Don't forget about weapons of mass destruction :D
P.P.S.: I imagine a scene where "Stormtroopers shoot at a cyborg and are surprised: 'What is this? These are demons from hell!'" :D"

Стартовый пост - Квенты - Разное -
Резара - Аксель - Орвальд - Эмилия -

In reply to kcfgogbfalgfl

Wistrit

17 years ago

Auto-translated

I like Rats in the army more... they are the best. :) Why didn't I discuss it? I think I analyzed many philosophical questions. And it seems like I tried to understand the structure of the universe and the world as a whole. Now, let's get down to business:)
The ballista shoots at paths. That is, a miserable ballista plays with time in a way that no professor from the special corps can. :P
If you haven't noticed, Goblins disable enemy equipment with a snap of their fingers ;) from a great distance. *Chpok!*... and the rocket is no longer operational)).
How much mana does a mage usually have?)) Let's say 300. And the hero is not alone)). You can entrust the casting of walls of swords and traps to Warlocks.
Please:) What prevents you from bringing in more Azure and Rusty Dragons here? And many others.
Earth Shock will fix everything)).
Please, what about Cursed Earth? The scavengers won't make it...)) Combined War Cry + Expert Leadership. -5 +6 = 1. As long as the area around the shamans is not cleared, their Blood Wrath will definitely save them)).
Necron Lord? Ha) A weak Warlock of level 7 with Deadly Cold will quickly and painfully send him to explore the astral planes:)
By the way, archers pierce iron, cast golems with these arrows. What about those miserable cyborgs:)
A Warlock-Warrior, flying in, will plunge the world into chaos:D, no matter what, because he is all-powerful and invincible.

Dragon... is this really the strongest thing that Fantasy can offer?
A group of stormtroopers will take down your dragon :-P. No scales can withstand that.

Who told you that it is the strongest?)) It's just that a dragon is the fastest way to travel, and also the safest. And in any case, dragons are more than enough:)
This scale can withstand much more than small bullets. You just try to hit it. And run away from its flames:)

Tomorrow holds no promises
Except the ones we've made

Loken

17 years ago

Auto-translated

in the army, he was also great, especially when he ran around the base with a guy and kept changing uniforms one after another:D

I mean that Bradbury didn't create his own philosophical dogmas that claim to be world teachings.

...back to the point:)
The ballista is not very outstanding because it attacks consistently - once per turn, like any unit with medium initiative, so there's no need to talk about temporality and tachyons here.

Gremlins... well, with a catapult, they might, let's say, snap their fingers or cut some ropes so that it can't fire. They're not deflecting the stone. What can they do to a rocket in flight? O_O Drain its fuel?! They won't get close to the launcher - it's too far away.

Rusty and azure dragons hinder the preservation of the world's integrity - either with a group of five with gremlin saboteurs, or with a group of three:)
...and, for example, the Necropolis creatures attacked from somewhere in a parallel Warhammer universe and invaded Auchan.

Please, what about cursed land? The scavengers won't make it...)) Combined warcry + expert leadership. -5 +6 = 1. As long as the area around the shamans isn't cleared, their blood wrath will save them.

They don't need to reach it - they dig themselves out right from the ground:O
Besides, cursed land also requires a necromancer, which is already a significant expense. Especially since it deals very little damage.
Well... okay, I won't say it's negative)
But blood wrath can be easily suppressed by artillery fire.

Necron Lord? ha) A weak warlock of level 7 with deadly cold will quickly and painfully send him to roam the astral planes.

Hierarch!
The Necron Lord is very, very durable, and can also temporarily become a Nightbringer, and the damage will only heal him. Or he can become a Deceiver and turn your troops against you.

Iron, cast golems))))
Angular and jerky. With impurities in the alloys.
This is completely different from high-quality, self-regenerating metal.

A warrior warlock, upon arrival, will plunge the world into chaos, no matter what, because he is all-powerful and invincible.

No, at most, he can teleport hydras to artillery positions, but even magic will be poorly mastered by him.

By the way, Moni is right - if a conceited, unwashed knight with some weak iron, called a sword, which has neither a drive with moving blades nor an energy element, can defeat dragons, then a lizard can be killed even with a simple Makarov or Glock. Bang-bang in the eye or mouth. Or in the fillet. It's a terribly scary reptile. I'm not even talking about a simple guard lasgun, a light bolter, or heavier weapons.

Ruins or a bunker - a soldier's paradise.

Ruins or a bunker with hot food, drinks, and women - that's a soldier's paradise:D

...your turn?:)

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

In reply to Loken

Nightwell

17 years ago

Auto-translated

Yeah, guys, you're having a lot of fun here.
It seems like the topic was supposed to be a discussion about book genres and which one is more interesting to read, not who will turn whom into minced meat: a dragon from Necropolis or vice versa.
For example, reading sci-fi won't become more interesting to me if a monolith crushes a dwarf or an elf.

kcfgogbfalgfl

17 years ago

Auto-translated

by the way, Moni is right - if a conceited, unwashed knight with some weak iron, called a sword, which has neither a drive with moving blades nor an energy element, can handle dragons, then a lizard can be killed even with a simple Makarov or Glock. Bang-bang in the eye or in the mouth. Or in the fillet. It's a terribly scary reptile. I'm not even talking about a simple Guards Lasgun, a light bolter, or heavier weapons.

Yeah, and what will a rocket barrage do?:D