The most useful monster. — General

Dr Motor

17 years ago

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DARK_DRAGON;193154

Chaos Dragon and Devils (due to Ice Demons), and also Dragon Golems.

Yes, if you take such powerful creatures, any of them will be useful.
I was talking about the great potential of the Djinn, which means it is useful.
Dragons, devils, etc., are already useful in any case because they are strong - level 4.
But what if it's in the early stages of the game, when you don't have any level 4 creatures yet?

Loken

17 years ago

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in the early stages of the game, Djinns are also not available, so everything is relative.
However, I agree about them; they are extremely versatile, and taking Nagas instead of them... well, maybe just for fun).

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Zybr

17 years ago

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Loken;193368

in the early stages of the game, there are no Djinns either, so it's all relative.
however, I agree about them; they are extremely versatile, and taking Nags instead... well, maybe just for fun)

You're being too harsh about Nags) they have a retaliatory attack and quite good combat stats.
Djinns are certainly useful, but their mana is limited, and in the final battles, Djinns aren't that helpful either; their range of services is limited))

the only downside of Nags is that they are, unfortunately, expensive to build.

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CTPAHHuK

17 years ago

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I agree with zybr; mages with counterattack and mass attack skills are very effective.

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LeSHiJ-MaX

17 years ago

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CTPAHHuK;193461

I agree with zybr; Nagas with Counter Attack and Mass Attack are very effective in the hands of a Mage.

Perhaps Loken meant a simpler version where Nagas don't have the "Triple Attack" ability, but only have Counter Attack. I couldn't find oxygen_hl's post where he described in detail the advantages of this ability against the Heroes army.

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Zybr

17 years ago

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LeSHiJ-MaX;193473

Perhaps Loken meant a simpler version where the Naga don't have the "Triple Attack" ability, but only have a counterattack. I couldn't find "oxygen_hl's" post where he described in detail the advantages of this ability against the Heroes' army.

It was about teleporting with a wait time.
Mass charm stealing and then teleporting the Naga with the second mage (this is about the version with triple attack). Honestly, I don't understand why they gave this ability to the Naga:confused: They turned out to be just killers that need to be taken out of the battle as quickly as possible.

But if we don't touch the Equilibrium and only consider the Whirlwinds, then of course, the Naga lose to the Djinn, but in my opinion, it's precisely because of the expensive building (a treasure chamber is needed), and not because of their combat qualities.

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oxygen_hl

17 years ago

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ZYbr;193524

The discussion was about teleporting with a wait time.
Mass dispel of spells and then teleporting with the second mage.

Just not mass steal, but mass dispel, of course. Stealing immortality when it's already been consumed by everyone is pointless ;)

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Ларс

17 years ago

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Stealing immortality potions when they've all been consumed is pointless.

Well, it's not entirely pointless... They could end up with monsters. Immortality potions work on them too... So, if they accidentally kill one of the titans, it will resurrect thanks to the potion! ;) A little help in battle! ;)
On the other hand, if there's no mass dispel, but only mass steal, I think you'll have to make do with what you have! :)

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oxygen_hl

17 years ago

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Lars;193636

Well, it's not entirely pointless... They can also be obtained by monsters. Immortals will gladly use them... So, if they accidentally kill one Titan, it will resurrect thanks to the immortality! ;) A small advantage in battle! ;)
On the other hand, if there's no mass dispel, but only mass steal, I think you'll have to settle for what you have! :)

I understand that when there's nothing better available, even a crab is a fish, but it still seems to me that it's easier to get a spell of the third level than a spell of the fifth level ;) I'm talking about the fact that if I can rely on mass dispel as a tactic for the final battle (having a couple of castles), I wouldn't rely on mass steal. That's the difference.

Poker is just a game of chance.

Loken

17 years ago

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Huh? Ability?:)
Yes, I was talking about a simpler version where they only have a retaliatory attack.
Anyway, just relying on them won't last long in enemy territory, so... combine them with dragons, in my opinion. Or don't use them at all.

CTPAHHuK

17 years ago

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From memory, I never used Naga-Dragon combinations, as I was afraid of being completely defenseless in battle if they didn't get teleport, they are too easily taken out of the fight due to their size, and dragons also lack the morale to immediately rush into battle.

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Zybr

17 years ago

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oxygen_hl;193624

It's not about mass stealing, but mass dispelling, of course. Stealing immortality when it's already been consumed by everyone is pointless ;)

Why use mass dispel? It will affect your own heroes as well. It will significantly simplify the task of eliminating your heroes for the enemy.

It's easier to cast a third-level spell than a fifth-level one.

The chance of catching a 5th-level spell is 1 in 3, while for a 3rd-level spell, it's 2 out of 7 (General dispel, accuracy, and its reverse (50% protection from spells), phantom, blindness, forgetfulness, and banishment). If you're going to dispel, do it with a single spell.

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oxygen_hl

17 years ago

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ZYbr;193726

Why use mass dispel? Your own units will suffer too. It will significantly ease the enemy's task of eliminating your heroes.

The comrade doesn't understand. The actions are performed sequentially. They are, of course, calculated. What idiot, tell me, would cast mass dispel if, after that, units that can kill your heroes will attack? ;) Besides, a mega combo is mass dispel cast from under the protection of the sleigh :cool: And General Steal will remove a couple of Immortals, and in a tricky way, as always according to Murphy's Law. So, this isn't a tactic, it's just bad play.

The chance of catching a 5th-level spell is 1 in 3, and on the 3rd level, there are 2 out of 7 (General dispel, accuracy, and its counterpart (50% protection from ranged attacks), phantom, blindness, forgetfulness, and banishment). If you're going to dispel, use a single-target spell.

We're not talking about a Tower, but about a Monastery and a Mage Guild, where they give you a ton of scrolls. You won't reach level 5 there. Also, I recommend comparing: a hero of level 5 can cast mass dispel, while General Steal requires level 10 or higher. That's all the math. And a single-target dispel is generally for the poor.

P.S. What's the argument about? Zuber, don't you understand that mass dispel has no functional equivalent? The point is to remove everything from the enemy and then attack with Nagas in an area, twice with Wait. If you can't calculate the attack so that you don't get hit in the meantime, then you need to improve your skills, I'm sorry. This is a very simple calculation. And no General Steal or single-target dispel can replace it.

CTPAHHuK

17 years ago

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What is it that you dislike so much about a single-target dispel? I personally find it very useful; if there were a monster with a single-target dispel ability, I would consider it very helpful and take it to the final stages.

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oxygen_hl

17 years ago

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CTPAHHuK;193872

Why do you dislike single-target dispel so much? I actually like it; if there were a monster with a single-target dispel ability, I would consider it very useful and take it to the final stage.

Why don't I like it? I actually like it very much. But it's more of a supplementary tool.