Posts from Counter-heroes in duel mode (3.1). Auto-translated

Why repeat it twice?:smile52: I understood you the first time. I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't really know you. But I wrote the truth about Ossir; learn to play, and the truth will be revealed to you. Personally, I don't like playing against him for only one reason: it's the extreme luck factor. Ossir can, in principle, win against anyone with constant luck. It's clear that newbies usually like him because, as everyone knows, newbies are lucky. But with minimal stats, and even with average stats as I wrote, almost everyone wins against him. At least, I won against him with everyone except Garuna and Shaka on random maps.:smile16: (and even then, I think theoretically they could win).

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Even against Nimue? If you position Ossir's troops strategically, Nimue will lose... :)

chudo_ud0
Even against Nimues? If you strategically position Ossir's troops, Nimues will lose... :)

That's a strong misconception; they are at least an equal match. (I often won against Ossir using Nimues).

That's a strong misconception; they are at least equally matched. (I often won against Ossir using Nimue).

Could you share a replay sometime? I'd really like to learn how to defeat Ossir with Nimue:smile43:

Could you share a replay sometime? I really want to learn how to defeat Ossir with Nimue:smile43:

Why a replay? It's not the most difficult matchup. There's a high chance of inflicting fear with Nightmares, plus high initiative for the troops, and duplicates on archers and high-initiative units. It still depends on attack bonus and luck, as well as resistance. Generally, the battle often ends after the first turn of Nightmares. In principle, I can play with any hero against Ossir, except for those two. I think I'd win at least once out of ten tries, and with some heroes, even more than half the time:cool:

I generally don't like playing against Ossir, but I believe in Dex. And Ossir can be easily defeated by Nimue. I don't want to say how :) hehe, it's a secret :)

Most players already know that Ossir can be defeated (I don't know who taught whom, but my house spirit taught me). But defeating Ossir, for example, with Axel Razzaq or Erinn, that requires some effort! (Maybe we can try it sometime?)

I certainly don't have hundreds of games on Ubi... I have thousands :smile44: so I'll just say a few modest words.

It doesn't sound modest, but it's true... there's no need to make a big deal about games on Ubi :D

Ossir and Nimue can definitely be defeated - almost any hero can defeat Ossir (except maybe Shaq and Garuna), and half of them can defeat Nimue.

You're definitely exaggerating, but I can't disagree with you because what you said is very vague... of course, many heroes can defeat these two, but the question is about probability (which would be good to clarify).
Of course, with a lot of luck in the ATB scale, as well as morale and luck generators, the balance can shift dramatically to one side, regardless of the player's skill, and sometimes you encounter such "terrible" players on Ubi that even Karl with good luck won't help them... that's where the statistics come from, that Garuna can easily defeat Nimue or Ossir...
Let me give an example, maybe not entirely illustrative, but very good....
Yesterday on Ubi - (a treasure trove of great knowledge and diverse tactics, especially "how to lose playing as Karl, Nimue, or Ossir")
I started a random duel... I got Axel, and my opponent got Nimue.
I saved the replay so that others can laugh too...
P.S. I'm not saying that Nimue's game was completely noobish, but Axel did everything perfectly... and there were mistakes on both sides, to the point that Axel sometimes didn't even have enough time to move his Seraphs 2 or 3 times because the pace was fast :)
but the result is very impressive...:smile01:

What's with all the doubt that Razazak, Axel, and Erin can defeat Ossir? Are you guys crazy? Of course, they can! There's a specific tactic for each one (though, obviously, Ossir has a higher chance – although in a match between Axel and Ossir, it's not a given), but in Razazak's case, luck definitely needs to be on their side. Regarding the probability, you got me there :smile40: But I won't be writing down probabilities for you. Play the game yourself and find out, don't just sit here and speculate. In 2.1, Erin could defeat Ossir; do you really think she can't in 3.0?:eek: And as for me "making things up," where exactly am I doing that? Read my text better; there's no falsehood there. It's easy for anyone to talk about the impossibility of winning, but it's better to actually play and say, "I played against him, and I just couldn't win." :smile14: Regarding the Axel vs. Nimus match, I watched the replay, and yes, the opponent was definitely a complete newbie. And Axel's gameplay wasn't perfect either; I see a few minor mistakes (the placement of swordsmen, Axel's use of magic). But overall, the match confirms what I said.

Well, I'll say a few words. I have about 20 games on the Heroes of Might and Magic 3.0 version. But here's what I can say: One of the common mistakes players make is to play with the "native" tactics of a hero. Let me explain what this means: Take Axel, for example: a hero with a clearly defined offensive tactic. But why not try playing defensively with him? (Thanks to Chudo for the Axel-Orson game; we played it so many times, the replay is worn out). Also, one of the conditions for his victory is not to waste mana impulsively. Because he has a decent set of spells, and he needs to use them carefully. Let's take Deirdre: by nature, she is a black mage. And most (I won't say strong, I'll say players on Heroesofmightandmagic.com) use her darkness spells. However, mass Haste and mass Slow work very well with her army. And her Banshee's Cry is still effective. (By the way, I think that mixed artifacts are quite overpowered, especially for Helmar). The same goes for Lethos. I think I'm wasting my time writing in this thread, but still. If anyone hasn't tried it, try teleporting on Griffins, for example. That's all I can say for now. Except that the starting setup is 25% of the success (I think everyone already knows that). And many forget that if two players are playing with the same tactic, it cancels each other out for both of them.

Read my text better; there's no lie in it. It's better to play as someone and then say, "I played as them, and I just couldn't beat Ossir,"
but everyone can talk about how impossible it is to win. :smile14:

You wrote the truth, but you obscured it with many inaccuracies... and the topic is called Counter-Heroes
People are interested in this – and you're writing in general that overpowered heroes like Nimue and Ossir are defeated by almost everyone or at least half of the players...
You're only right in that they can indeed be defeated (under favorable circumstances), but this is still less than 50% likely.
A counter-hero is about opposition, meaning that, at a minimum, they should defeat the opponent with a 50% probability, or even 100%. But you're saying that out of 10 times, you win exactly once – that's a maximum of 10%. :)
P.S. That's why I say that, in general, you're telling the truth, but you're misleading people about the topic.
People are eager to test it in practice, but unfortunately, they will only be disappointed... It's a different matter that you really need to practice to win against such heroes when the situation allows it, when these 10% (or however many there are) occur, and you need to take advantage of them... :smile19:
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Yes, I completely forgot... to help you and others understand, I'll give an example of a real counter-hero, for example, against Ossir:
1) Lethos defeats Ossir more than 50% of the time, in my opinion (he also dominates against Anwen).
Therefore, if I go to a random game, and my opponent picks Ossir, I don't get upset and pick Lethos, and in 8 out of 10 cases, I tear him to shreds... usually, at the end of the battle, the Driders fight against the Horses, and my Scouts and Sovereigns help them die faster.
Moreover, the tactics are diverse, although the general strategy is the same: neutralize the archers and pit one of the two Ossir infantry units against the other.

I won't get involved in the debate about duels, but I have one comment to make:

You can't play a duel against a "computer" – there is no such mode.

Actually, there is. You can simply set the computer opponent to auto-battle. Of course, you shouldn't expect much intelligence from such an opponent.

I disagree, regarding Lethos – not even with Ossir (certainly not more than 50%) – the tactics are the same as in version 2.1, which some may have forgotten, and even less so with Anven (less than 50%). He doesn't crush them. Please play against strong opponents, for example, against me, before giving such advice. :cool:

So, we played 3 games, and Ossir won 2, while Letos won 1, thanks to the Morale of Dragons!! I don't even consider Ossir's luck; it's his skill.
As I said, the chances of Letos winning against Ossir are no more than 50%.

That's how it was... it seems like I was lucky in the 3rd game, and I barely won against Ossir, but I could also say that I was unlucky in the first two games... it all depends on how Letos's magic will be reflected, especially the first cast, and of course, the ATB scale and the luck roll...
But in general, if Letos casts a spell, Ossir dies with an 80% probability (even with luck).
However, if the first cast is reflected or immediately removed by Ossir before the turn of the archers and knights, it's already a 50% chance of losing, and if one more of the subsequent casts is reflected, it's a complete loss for Letos.
P.S. Of course, the opponent's gameplay is excellent (it's clear that they've played a lot), so these are the numbers we get, but in general, I still believe that among the non-imba heroes, Letos is one of the most dangerous for Ossir

So, we played 3 games, and Ossir won 2, while Letos won 1, thanks to the Morale of Dragons spell! I don't even consider Ossir's luck; it's just his skill. As I said, Letos's chances of beating Ossir are no more than 50%. P.S. Okay, if you want a counter-hero, it's Ibba.