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Primus

18 years ago

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In this topic, you can discuss the tournament rules and express your opinions and wishes. Also, the results of the draw for each round will be posted here.

Round 1: Smile Template / Smile

Group A
1. Primus - Alex_R
2. Tieru - Leolopus
3. Igor_HW - Major Vikhr
4. ArhLich - A1coho1!c
5. Vip.rus - KillAndAction

Group B
1. raykkonen - Mifistal
2. PROTON-N - Vasja
3. Mister X - Igrok_v_geroev
4. Lok1978 - Igor916
5. alex_nv - ValgallaWolf

If you cannot contact your opponent in the first round, you can play the next round to avoid wasting precious time.

Round 2: The Town of Miracles 1-2, 3-4

Victory condition:
1. If there is a Barbarian in the pair, then only kill the opponent, since it is impossible to build a shipyard in the Orcish Castle, which creates an imbalance.
2. For all other pairs, kill the opponent or capture the central city and hold it for seven days!

Group A
1. Alex_R - Igor_HW
2. Major Vikhr - Vip.rus
3. Primus - Tieru
4. Leolopus - A1coho1!c
5. KillAndAction - ArhLich

Group B
1. Mifistal - Igrok_v_geroev
2. PROTON-N - alex_nv
3. ValgallaWolf - Vasja
4. Igor916 - Mister X
5. raykkonen - Lok1978

Round 3: M3 Template / M3

Group A
1. A1coho1!c - Vip.rus
2. Igor_HW - Primus
3. KillAndAction - Alex_R
4. ArhLich - Leolopus
5. Tieru - Major Vikhr

Group B
1. Lok1978 - Mister X
2. Vasja - Igor916
3. Mifistal - alex_nv
4. ValgallaWolf - PROTON-N
5. Igrok_v_geroev - raykkonen

Round 4: The Art of Strategy

Group A
1. A1coho1!c - KillAndAction
2. Tieru - Igor_HW
3. ArhLich - Primus
4. Major Vikhr - Alex_R
5. Vip.rus - Leolopus

Group B
1. alex_nv - raykkonen
2. Igor916 - Mifistal
3. Mister X - ValgallaWolf
4. Igrok_v_geroev - Vasja
5. Lok1978 - PROTON-N

Round 5: Sun Template / Sun

Group A
1. Leolopus - Major Vikhr
2. Igor_HW - KillAndAction
3. Vip.rus - ArhLich
4. Alex_R - Tieru
5. Primus - A1coho1!c

Group B
1. alex_nv - Igor916
2. Vasja - Lok1978
3. PROTON-N - Igrok_v_geroev
4. Mister X - raykkonen
5. Mifistal - ValgallaWolf

Round 6: Key to Victory – 1-3, 2-4

Group A
1. Tieru - A1coho1!c
2. Major Vikhr - ArhLich
3. Leolopus - Igor_HW
4. KillAndAction - Primus
5. Alex_R - Vip.rus

Group B
1. Igrok_v_geroev - Lok1978
2. Vasja - Mifistal
3. Igor916 - PROTON-N
4. Mister X - alex_nv
5. ValgallaWolf - raykkonen

Round 7: Chaos Template / Chaos

Group A
1. KillAndAction - Tieru
2. A1coho1!c - Major Vikhr
3. Alex_R - Leolopus
4. Primus - Vip.rus
5. Igor_HW - ArhLich

Group B
1. Igrok_v_geroev - alex_nv
2. PROTON-N - Mister X
3. raykkonen - Vasja
4. Mifistal - Lok1978
5. ValgallaWolf - Igor916

Round 8: Dragon Pass - 1-3

Group A
1. Major Vikhr - KillAndAction
2. Leolopus - Primus
3. Vip.rus - Igor_HW
4. ArhLich - Tieru
5. A1coho1!c - Alex_R

Group B
1. raykkonen - Igor916
2. Lok1978 - alex_nv
3. Mifistal - PROTON-N
4. Igrok_v_geroev - ValgallaWolf
5. Vasja - Mister X

Round 9: Heritage of Deleb

Group A
1. KillAndAction - Leolopus
2. Primus - Major Vikhr
3. Igor_HW - A1coho1!c
4. Alex_R - ArhLich
5. Tieru - Vip.rus

Group B
1. Mister X - Mifistal
2. ValgallaWolf - Lok1978
3. Igor916 - Igrok_v_geroev
4. PROTON-N - raykkonen
5. alex_nv - Vasja

Leolopus

18 years ago

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Let the Legacy of Deleb be, I don't mind.

Added after 13 hours and 19 minutes
Primus, I apologize, but I am forced to file an official protest regarding the continued use of the "City of Wonders" map in the tournament, as firstly, I believe that the meaning of the game lies in defeating the opponent based on the results of the game, and not based on the specific conditions of the map (this is my belief, not a selfish interest due to losing in the 2nd round), and secondly, there is a bug on this map: if someone is forced to play as an Orc, then due to these very specific conditions of the map, it will be almost impossible for them to win, because a Ferf cannot be built in the Orcish castle! I apologize again for filing a protest during the tournament. With respect, Leolopus.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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I think, by mutual agreement among players, we can simply avoid capturing the city in the center in the future. After all, it won't really change anything, and such unexpected situations won't occur.

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alex_nv

18 years ago

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Major Whirlwind;184781

I think, with the mutual consent of the players, we can simply agree not to capture the city in the center in the future. After all, in principle, it won't change anything. And such unexpected events won't happen.

I agree with Major 95%.
On the other hand, there should be unexpected twists in the game and variety as well.
And it's not worth changing the maps now (unless there is a significant drawback).

p.s. And is there really no shipyard in the Barbarian Castle? :rolleyes:

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Primus

18 years ago

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alex_nv;184783

But isn't there really no shipyard in the Barbarian Castle? :rolleyes:

Absolutely correct, I forgot to mention that. My apologies. When playing as a Barbarian, a shipyard is practically unnecessary, as the map is very fast-paced. An Orc can level up well on it and is capable of killing anyone by the third week!

ValgallaWolf

18 years ago

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Dear Leo, please read this to the end, because there is a second paragraph after the first one. This map was played very well on the Heroes League. Because its structure is excellent and provides ample room for strategy. I don't understand how you started playing without looking at the map and the victory conditions, and I am against removing this wonderful map just because of your inattention. The Orc here is simply a killing machine. I recruit him first.

But the fact that the shipyard wasn't built, and you were counting on it, is indeed a serious reason for a replay. Because when an entire strategy is based on something, and then it falls apart due to an unreported bug in the map, it's not just frustrating. It's unfair. Sir Primus expressed the opinion that the Barbarian is strong here even without the shipyard. Yes, of course. But you didn't know that you would have to retreat to land. Maybe you even leveled up navigation. So, my opinion is that you need a replay.

Vip.rus

18 years ago

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I would like to point out that Orcs cannot build a shipyard, and an experienced player should definitely know this, as well as know the map and the conditions for winning on it. I think the map is worthy of a tournament, and all the fuss arose due to inattention. In no case should it be replayed; the map should be left as is!

P.S. I don't want to offend anyone; it's all IMHO!:)

Primus

18 years ago

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We've already discussed the situation with Leo. He has accepted the defeat. I understand his frustration; I've also lost a few games due to carelessness.

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Leolopus

18 years ago

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Vip.rus;184859

I want to note that the Orcs cannot build a shipyard, and an experienced player should undoubtedly have known this, just as they should know the map and its victory conditions. I think the map is worthy of a tournament, and all this fuss arose from inattention. Under no circumstances should it be replayed; leave the map as is!
P.S. I don't mean to offend anyone, all IMHO! :)

Experienced or not, what difference does it make; yes, I knew the shipyard couldn't be built, and Primus learned this from me, but it made no difference to me — I wasn't playing as the Orcs. But what about the person who will play as the Orcs and lose for this very reason? What will you say to them then? That they are inexperienced and it's their problem??? No, it's the map's problem; it has a bug, that's a fact, and everything else about this is just fluff!

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Primus;184874

Regarding Leo, it's already sorted out. He has accepted the defeat. I understand his frustration; I've also blown several winning games due to inattention myself.

There was nothing for me to accept; in fact, there was no defeat at all — I just turned a blind eye to a statistical loss. But regarding the bug when playing as the Orcs, I remain firm in my opinion: it (the bug) deprives the Orc player of the ability to win under the map's conditions, while the opponent can choose. In this situation, it is a natural imbalance — an inequality of opportunities, and that is an axiom!

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Primus

18 years ago

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Leolopus;184902

Experienced or not, what difference does it make? I knew that the shipyard couldn't be built, and Primus learned this from me, but I didn't care. I wasn't playing as Orcs. But what if someone plays as Orcs and loses because of this? What will you say to them? That they're not experienced and it's their problem? No, the problem is with the map; there's a bug, and that's a fact. Everything else is just irrelevant chatter! But regarding the bug when playing as Orcs, I stand by my opinion: this bug prevents Orcs from winning according to the map's conditions, while the opponent can choose a strategy that works in this situation. This is a clear imbalance – an inequality of opportunities, and that's an axiom!

I don't think there's a significant imbalance on this map. The Orcs will come and win. I doubt anyone will sail to take the central Castle on weeks 3-4, although it's possible. The Barbarian will rush to the opponent's Castle with a primary unit on weeks 2-3, and there's a shipyard there. The problem is solved. I haven't heard anyone complain about this map. You're the first, my dear friend Leo! I have nothing against your dissatisfaction. You have the right to express your wishes and comments.

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Vasja.

18 years ago

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I also disagree with the "War for Survival" map. It's never too late to change the "Knights," even mid-game, if there's a good reason. I think the balance in that map is terrible – it's like in "The Exes." Vip suggested it because that's the only map he plays – I can see that from the stats...

P.S.: Vitaly, sorry, but it's true... I don't push maps into the tournament that I use to boost my rating, do I?!

Added 21 minutes later
When playing on standard maps, I personally get thrown into matches on the "Jubilee" map, like "in a storm." My rating gets messed up – no doubt about it. And recently, I "overheard" a conversation in Proton's game chat with the Inquisitor. They're saying there's a way to "not worry about the rating" in such cases, but they won't reveal the secret. Maybe someone knows what they're talking about?...

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Primus

18 years ago

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Vasja.;184949

I also disagree with the "War of Survival" map. It's never too late to change the "horses," even mid-game, if there's a good reason. I think there's no balance there at all – just like in "The Former."

And what imbalance are you talking about? Joining as a red Succubus and that's it? I don't think that's a strong argument! I'd like you to describe the map's flaws in more detail.

Vasja.;184949

When playing on medium templates, I personally get as nervous as if I were "in a storm." The rating gets messed up – big time. And recently, I "overheard" a conversation in the Proton game chat with the Inquisitor. They say there's a way to "not worry about the rating" in such cases, but they won't reveal the secret. Maybe someone knows what they're talking about?...

Play on the training channel. Why are you ruining your rating if you care so much about it?:confused: Where's your confidence that you'll finish the map in one go? After all, life is a difficult thing, and you and your opponent may have urgent matters and need to postpone the game. I know about boosting the rating, but I don't use this trick. I won't describe how to do it here, because I think it's not heroic!

ValgallaWolf

18 years ago

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I apologize for the off-topic comment. I just wanted to say that my rating doesn't really matter. I think my duel rating is around 1672, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm a terrible duelist. Also, it's better to play on the channel with fewer people at the moment – it's more reliable. I'm also aware of the rating boosting issue. Is it really necessary? By the way, this was discussed on the Heroes of Might and Magic forums at some point, but the topic was closed and deleted.

In reply to Vasja.

Leolopus

18 years ago

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Vasja.;184949

I also disagree with the "War of Survival" map. It's never too late to change the "horses" even mid-game if there's a good reason. I think there's no balance in that map at all – it's like in "The Exes." Vip suggested it because that's the only map he plays, as I can see on the anniversary server...

P.S.: Vitaly, sorry, but it's true... I'm not "pushing" maps into the tournament that I use to "boost my rating on the anniversary server," am I?!

Added 21 minutes later
When playing on standard maps, I personally get thrown into the anniversary server, like "in a storm." My rating gets messed up – no doubt about it. And recently, I "overheard" a conversation in the Proton game chat with Inquisitor. They say there's a way to "not worry about the rating" in such cases, but they won't reveal the secret. Maybe someone knows what they're talking about?...

Regarding the "War of Survival" map, there's only one bug – the attachment of succubi to the red player, but it's not critical and doesn't really affect the game, although Primus mentioned in the update that the red player with succubi should be at a disadvantage. Otherwise, I think it's a 100% balanced map, and if you want to avoid your opponent having an advantage on their home turf, just eliminate their mages and heroes. You've already been told about the rating – play on the training channel, it's the last one in the list. As for "not worrying about the rating," do you really need that? Proton gave me the full scoop on this, but I can't share information that was provided to me confidentially, so try asking Proton, or you can ask Raik:D. But my advice to you is, if you want your rating to reflect your gaming skills, forget about all these tricks, just play – win – and you'll get your rating:smile54:

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Vip.rus

18 years ago

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Vasja.;184949

I also disagree with the "War of Survival" map. It's never too late to change the "horses" even mid-game, if there's a reason to do so. I think there's no balance in that map at all – it's like in "The Exes." Vip suggested it because that's the only map he plays – I can see that on the anniversary server...

P.S.: Vitaly, sorry, but it's true... I'm not "pushing" those maps into the tournament that I use to "boost my rating on the anniversary server," am I?!

Added after 21 minutes
When playing on standard maps, I personally feel like I'm on the anniversary server, like "in a storm." My rating gets messed up – you have no idea. And recently, I "overheard" a conversation in the Proton game chat with the Inquisitor. They said there's a way to "not worry about the rating" in such cases, but they're not revealing the secret. Maybe someone knows what they're talking about?...

Vasya, you're right about one thing. I often play on this map. This is because I really like it; it's small and quite balanced. For these same reasons, I suggested it for the tournament. You're wrong about the rating; just look at my rating (something around 1600). I think there's some kind of resentment in you that I don't understand:confused:

Primus

18 years ago

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Mister X and LeL0riNeL, please contact me urgently via ICQ regarding your participation in the tournament. If you are unable to play, it is better to make substitutions now, before it is too late. Thank you in advance for your understanding.