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19 years ago
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He wasn't even the best figure skater. He never skated as well as Yagudin did. Yagudin's "Winter" will remain an unsurpassed standard of skill and artistry for male figure skaters for a long time. By the way, remember what happened at the championship for which the now-retired Yagudin prepared a competitor for Plushchenko. It's good that he didn't do that again.
I also love Yagudin.
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Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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I also love Yagudin. But I love him more for "The Man in the Iron Mask" than for his winter performances. It's something special!
But Plushchenko is better, at least because he has brilliant performances, artistry, and his skating is like a performance on stage.
Plushchenko's artistry is a bit superficial – it's all about his facial expressions and hand movements, but that's the easiest and most understandable thing for the average person. He isn't particularly good at expressing emotions and feelings with his whole body, unlike Yagudin. To put it simply, Plushchenko is a poser. And that's exactly why people love him. It's a paradox...
But Yagudin earned his Olympic "gold" and left. It was as if he admitted that he no longer had the strength or anything else to compete.
He won everything he could, and there was objectively no one left for him to compete against. But Plushchenko stayed, because he really wanted that coveted Olympic "gold."
In general, it's a long and, in my opinion, pointless debate... Both of them have their fans and admirers.
Both of them really do have fans and admirers, but we're talking about who was the better ATHLETE, not the better SHOWMAN
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Plushenko's artistry is somewhat superficial – his facial expressions and hand movements, but this is the easiest and most understandable for the average person. He isn't particularly successful in expressing emotions and feelings with his whole body, unlike Yagudin. To put it simply, Plushenko is a poser. And that's precisely why people love him. It's a paradox...

He won everything he could, and there was objectively no one for him to compete against. Plushenko stayed, because he really wanted that famous Olympic "gold."

Both have fans and admirers, but we're talking about who was the better ATHLETE, not the better SHOWMAN.
Well, I certainly don't agree with almost any of this. But as they say, there's no accounting for taste... So I won't argue for no reason. Is that okay?
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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Well, I certainly don't agree with almost any of this. But as they say, there's no accounting for taste... So, I won't argue unnecessarily. Is that okay?
AS YOU WISH
(Offers a polite bow, a subtle English smile plays on her lips. "Ignorance is bliss.")
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He won everything he could, and there was objectively no one for him to compete against. And Plushchenko stayed, because he really wanted that famous Olympic "gold."
This is a quote from Fireball.

It's absolutely right that Plushchenko stayed, because he's simply younger than Yagudin.
I haven't liked Alexei since he went to Tarasova, who made him a champion (at that time, she had access to the best training facilities), while Zhenya stayed with his mother in a communal apartment where alcoholics lived behind a plywood wall. Plushchenko forged himself, Tarasova created Yagudin, so as an athlete, I like Zhenya more. And he deserved his gold!!!!
Я лишь с теми, кто ищет истину...
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It was absolutely right that Plushchenko stayed, because he is simply younger than Yagudin.
I haven't liked Alexei since he went to Tarasova, who made him a champion (in those years, she had access to the best training facilities), while Zhenya stayed with his mother in a communal apartment where alcoholics lived behind the plywood wall. Plushchenko forged himself, Tarasova created Yagudin, so as an athlete, I like Zhenya more. And he deserved his gold!!!!
This is how the life's vicissitudes of the athletes were presented by Plushchenko's side; Yagudin's supporters had a slightly different version, that's for sure.
Zhenechka is a well-known master of complaining to the public. I heard with my own ears how he told a heart-wrenching story about how Tarasova hired a mega-wizard-clairvoyant to spoil his energy (to disrupt the coherence of his chakras, so to speak). And that's why Yagudin won the Olympics. The story is still fresh in memory...
But this is all subjective; objectively, it's different:
- Yagudin performed jumps on average at a slightly higher speed and with
less obvious preparation for them.
- Yagudin's skating was always softer, despite the fact that
Plushchenko periodically leaned towards a slightly feminine style
of performing some elements.
- Yagudin performed step sequences much better and more musically,
because he has very fast legs, and Plushchenko doesn't.
The only thing where Plushchenko could win is his naturally beautiful lines, which is why he chose a more feminine style of skating, unlike Yagudin, who had a more developed muscle mass, and accordingly, his skating had a distinctly masculine character. It's a matter of taste.
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Wayne Gretzky. In the history of the NHL, no one even comes close to him. He was the top scorer 10 times and the best player 9 times. He performed miracles for the national team. Even in confrontations with the "Red Machine," his record in the Canada Cups is 2:1 (the 1991 tournament doesn't count, as our team brought a toy car that couldn't even leave the pit lane). I consider the final of the 1987 Canada Cup to be the best event in hockey history. Three incredibly intense matches, played at an unbelievable level, ended with a score of 6:5, with all the truly strongest players playing for each team. Suffice it to say that this was the only tournament where Gretzky and Mario Lemieux played for the Canadian national team at the same time. In general, that's how it was. Although Gretzky once said that Russians shouldn't root for me, as Russia has plenty of its own Gretzkys, but that doesn't diminish his greatness. Regarding Schumacher... Well, he won the championship 5 times in a row when he clearly had the best car compared to his rivals, and the rivals themselves were not as strong. Therefore, I don't consider him better than Prost and Senna, who won the same 7 titles between them, competing against each other, plus they had Piquet, Mansell, and others challenging them. Tennis players... Until someone wins a Grand Slam, it's inappropriate to talk about the best in history.
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18 years ago
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Besчастных, Koryako, Bezrodny, Ananko... funny, isn't it? Mega athletes with loud surnames. :-))) Sorry, just reminded me of yesterday's match.

Regarding real athletes. A completely incomprehensible "debate." How can you compare different eras, different sports? In every generation and every sport, there are its own unparalleled Heroes.
Тот, кто борется - может проиграть, кто нет - проиграл уже (с)
В прошлом "Координатор турниров Лиги Героев" (www.heroesleague.ru)
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18 years ago
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The best athletes in the "Order of the Phoenix". The list could go on, but these are not just outstanding athletes; they are the very best.

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Regarding Schumacher... Well, in the last 5 years, he won the championship when he clearly had a better car than his rivals, and the rivals themselves were not as strong. Therefore, I don't consider him better than Prost and Senna, who won the same 7 titles between them, competing with each other, plus they had drivers like Piquet, Mansell, and others competing with them.
Although Schumacher is a fan of shaping and a healthy lifestyle, he is still not quite an athlete, just as Formula 1 is not quite a sport. Therefore, it is not entirely appropriate to include him in this poll. But with the phrase about the clearly strongest car for 5 years in a row, you severely exposed yourself: either you are simply a Schumacher hater (he annoyed many people), or you don't understand Formula 1 very well. "The Red Death" was only in 2002 and 2004. In 2003, there were at least 3 equally strong teams, if not more; the Ferraris were definitely third (at least considering the incredible luck and tires). In 2000 and 2001, McLaren's car was only slightly worse, because any reasonable observer will say that if a car performs well in Barcelona, then it is definitely good. After all, that's where everything is tested (driver errors with settings are almost zero), and the track is for pure technique. What track was "the best" for Mika Häkkinen? Exactly. Mika himself, despite his reliability and human decency on the track and in the pits, was not the fastest champion (in recent years, only Hill was slower), although, like all drivers who prefer cars with understeer, he was quite successful.
In general, titles are won only with the strongest car or one of the 2-3 almost equal cars (more often two). The last exception was 1994, and perhaps last season could be considered a half-exception, in which Kimi was simply brilliant, except for a couple of races at the beginning of the championship. But he wouldn't have won the crown if Alonso and Hamilton hadn't been such fools, because with the current reliability and electronics, even a small advantage in pure speed is very difficult to make up for. They were clearly not letting the legacy of Hill rest, who in that very 1994 managed to squander a very good car.
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18 years ago
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But with that phrase about the clearly strongest car for 5 years in a row, you completely destroyed the argument: either you're just a Schumacher hater (he annoyed many people, there's no denying it), or you don't really understand Formula 1...

I've been following Formula 1 since 1985, when Prost first became Champion. Regarding the strongest car. The strongest car isn't the one that goes the fastest, but the one that is strong overall. Yes, in 2000, McLaren was at least as good as Ferrari, but they lost the title only because of their own mistakes. But in 2001, things were different. McLaren was fast, but unreliable, which is why Coulthard only competed with Schumacher until Monaco, when his car stalled on the starting lap of the warm-up, and instead of starting from pole position, he started from the back of the grid. And Mika, in his favorite Spain, stalled on the last lap and instead of winning, he finished 9th. In 2003, many teams were good, including McLaren and Williams, and even Renault showed good performances at times, but overall, Ferrari was slightly better, and that slight advantage was enough for Schumacher to win against Raikkonen.
I'm not diminishing Michael's achievements. Yes, I wasn't his fan, but when he demonstrated exceptional skill on the track, I sincerely admired him, and in 2006, I was very upset by his departure, as an entire era ended with him. Because after the era of Prost and Senna, which tragically ended in Imola in 1994, the era of Schumacher began. Just him. No Hills, Villeneuve, or Hakkinen can compare to him, although in each individual championship, I supported them in their rivalry with Schumacher.
But despite all this, I don't consider him the GREATEST athlete in the world. Even in Formula 1, there are those who are no less than him, and if they are, it's only slightly. Fangio, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Senna...

Yes, and Formula 1 is the ultimate sport.
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18 years ago
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Off-topic: Schumacher gave an excellent performance in the movie "Asterix at the Olympic Games." He played a racer, and it was all done very well! He's quite versatile... By the way, Zidane also starred in it, but his role was smaller...

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