The most powerful warrior. — General

Raptor

5/13/2008 8:29 PM UTC

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ArhLich;176547

Of all the creatures at level 3, the most powerful warrior is the Elven Forest Archer. He has high initiative, which allows him to move before the opponent's archers, and no other level 3 creature deals as much damage as the Forest Archer!

Yes! He deals a lot of damage for a level 3 unit. He has the highest attack, but his defense is very weak, so he isn't the most powerful. After all, a creature's power lies in everything combined (attack, defense, hit points, immunity to certain spells). Even unskilled units like Knights or Demons can easily kill these "snipers" with Chaos magic.
The Swordsman, Minotaur, and Bear Rider are significantly more powerful, especially the last one. And the Swordsman is also almost immune to arrows.

BecTHuk CMEPTu

5/13/2008 8:45 PM UTC

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Yes, I agree, Elven archers are awesome; if there are many of them, they can overwhelm everyone, but they have 0 defense. I would increase their defense and give them the "Dancing with Death" skill.

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Imaris

5/14/2008 4:27 AM UTC

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As for the elven archers, in my humble opinion, they are the strongest of all level 4 creatures! And even stronger than some level 4 creatures. In general, here's what I think are the strongest creatures:
Level 1 - assassins
Level 2 - beasts
Level 3 - elven archers
Level 4 - lizards
Level 5 - it's hard to say, maybe assassins/executioners (but not leaders! the first two have a double attack!)
Level 6 - knights/rakshasa/cavern stalkers
Level 7 - Black Dragons
Level 8 - there's not much to choose from: level 8 has only summoned phoenixes, it seems, the Avatar of Death, and a summoned Hive (if I forgot something, correct me). I think the strongest is the Avatar.
I think I've slightly strayed from the topic :D :o Well, as usual :)

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G@ZMY@S

5/14/2008 1:27 PM UTC

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BecTHuk CMEPTu;176555

Yes, I agree, elven archers are great; if there are many of them, they can overwhelm everyone, but they have 0 defense. I would put Dancing with Death on their defense.

But the best defense for elven archers is Ents. Then the archers will be unreachable for enemy cavalry and infantry. By the time you break through the Ents, there will be no one left for the archers to shoot at.

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Raptor

5/14/2008 4:00 PM UTC

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Cr@zy Wolf;176573

As for the Elven Archers, in my opinion, they are the strongest among all Tier 4 units! And they might even be stronger than some Tier 4 units.

Really?! Well, which Tier 4 units are weaker than them, I wonder? In my opinion, there are even Tier 3 units that are stronger than these archers.

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Небо

5/14/2008 4:06 PM UTC

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Raptor;176654

Really?! And which 4th-level units are weaker than them, I wonder? I think there are even 3rd-level units that are stronger than these archers.

Give examples of 3rd-level and 4th-level units:cool:

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Raptor

5/14/2008 4:32 PM UTC

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Give examples of level 3 and level 4 creatures: cool:

3 level: Minotaur, Bear Rider. And Swordsman, because arrows are not very effective against him. As for 4 level, I don't know any creature that is weaker than an Archer.

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Небо

5/14/2008 5:19 PM UTC

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Just a quick clarification: are we talking about Elven Archers or their upgrade, Forest Archers? :confused:

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Imaris

5/14/2008 6:15 PM UTC

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Just a moment, are we talking about Elven Archers or their upgrade – Sylvan Archers? :confused:

They are all good.

Небо

5/14/2008 7:09 PM UTC

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Archers are good, of course, but in a one-on-one fight, and without a hero's influence, they are weaker than Minotaurs. Minotaurs kill them before they can kill the Minotaurs (verified in online play). Minotaurs have better defense and more hit points, and they can move quite far, reaching the archers in 2 turns. Archers only manage to fire twice, and they are weak in close combat, so they lose. The situation is practically the same with Swordsmen; due to their hit points and defense, they win (although it takes them 3 turns to reach the archers, which has also been verified). The same applies to Bears; they win due to their hit points, speed, and defense (and this has also been verified). So, we can draw one logical conclusion: in a one-on-one fight, archers are weaker than all three. However, if they are part of a hero's army of their own faction, they have very great potential and strength, especially if someone is protecting them.
As for upgrades, I haven't checked, but I think the same applies.

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Raptor

5/14/2008 8:19 PM UTC

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Protecting archers is a tricky business. You can place Ents in front of them, and then no one will be able to reach them. But, as I already said, they die very quickly from Chaos spells because they have low health. And a Warlock can kill about 70 of them at once with just one Lightning spell.

Loken

5/14/2008 10:53 PM UTC

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if you look at it from this angle, swordsmen also die from magic, and quickly. And so do dogs and ghosts. And if, instead of (or together with?) the hounds, you put a single unicorn next to the archers, the warlock will be defeated. Not always, of course... but the chance of survival is pretty good. A silly topic :-\

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

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G@ZMY@S

5/15/2008 11:57 AM UTC

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Raptor;176685

Protecting archers is a tricky business. You can place Ents in front of them, and then no one will be able to reach them. But, as I already said, they die terribly from Chaos spells because they have very few hit points. And a Warlock can even kill 70 of them at once with a single Lightning spell.

Yes, but Sylvan creatures have resistance, and the spell might not work.

Raptor

5/15/2008 12:32 PM UTC

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Still, it can't be stated that archers are the strongest at level 3. After all, they are only the strongest at a distance. Force them into melee combat, and they suddenly become the weakest.