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PLEASE, NO ONE BUT THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE DEBATE SHOULD POST ANYTHING HERE!
Topic: What is more important: intelligence or strength?
Kitty is trying to prove that strength is more important.
Siverfale is trying to prove that intelligence is more important.
Please behave respectfully and with dignity, as this is just a game :).
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Let's begin, ladies and gentlemen. So, let's turn to human history. It was reason that helped one branch of the hominid family, an order of primates, become something more than just another genus of mammals. The very presence of reason (or, to put it scientifically, the ability for higher nervous activity) determined the separation of humans from other animals. Thanks to reason, humans invented primitive tools. Then, in search of the best way to hunt, they invented even better tools. However, there's no point in retelling all the twists and turns of history that reason determined – there are too many to count. And here's the result – the current position of humans in the animal world, its peak. However, even this is too low a description of humanity's position in the animal hierarchy; humans have long considered themselves far superior to animals. And all of this is thanks to reason. If humans hadn't been so weak compared to other animals, they would still be primates. That is, the lack of strength was also the second turning point in human history, perhaps no less important than the presence of reason. That's how it is. Your turn, Kitty. :) Oh yes, and don't remind me that my argument started, because if I'm on the forum, I'll find out about it anyway, and if I don't have internet access, your messages won't help
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Hmm... Reason helped humans survive. But without strength, they certainly wouldn't have made it. With its help, they survived the Ice Age. Moreover, ancient humans were much stronger than modern ones – strength was needed to provide for themselves. Therefore, it can be said that if ancient humans were weak, there would be no history – after all, at the beginning of life, strength was more important.
Now, about life today. What is strength? It's not just the ability to defend oneself against bad people at night in a dark alley (:), it's also health and endurance, a good physique, after all. And health is very important today.
So back off your rules,
Back off your jive!
Cause I'm sick of not living,
To stay alive,
Leave me alone!
I'm not asking a lot -
I just don't want to be controlled,
That's all I want.
All I want!
(с)The Offspring
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Well... Intelligence helped humans survive. But they definitely couldn't have done without strength. It helped them survive the Ice Age.
No, that's the point – many creatures didn't survive, and the most adaptable ones did. That's why some learned to hibernate, some grew long fur, and some took refuge in caves, covered them with hides, and made fires.
Moreover, ancient humans were much stronger than modern ones – strength was needed to provide for themselves. So, you could say that if ancient humans were weak, there wouldn't be a story – in the beginning, strength was more important for survival.
But humans were significantly weaker than most of their "contemporaries," so strength was far from being the dominant factor in survival. And the weakening of humans once again proves that strength is no longer a more or less important factor for survival.
What is strength? It's not just the ability to defend yourself from bad guys at night in a dark alley, it's also health and endurance, a good physique, after all. And health is very important today.
With intelligence, you can earn enough money to buy a non-lethal weapon (and, more importantly, figure out how to do it :D), which, as you know, has only one drawback – when shooting at the torso, you can be charged with "exceeding self-defense" (or something like that, I don't remember the exact name, but the point is), which is a good indicator of its effectiveness. Besides, if there are more than 3 enemies (and enemies, aka thugs, don't go around in smaller groups), strength won't guarantee victory. And a non-lethal pistol (which, by the way, was created thanks to the same intelligence) not only demoralizes the enemy but also works wonders if you know how to shoot. But we're not arguing about the effectiveness of weapons here. :)
Now about health and endurance. For health, it's enough to eat properly and do yoga or exercise in the morning (there's nothing supernatural or exhausting about it, anyone can do it).
And as for endurance, mental stability is much more important now, because life is bustling, that is, "mental endurance" is important.
There you go. :)
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Where do we end up when we save the world?
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Now, let's talk about health and endurance. For good health, it's enough to eat properly and do yoga or morning exercises (there's nothing supernatural or exhausting about it; anyone can do it.
But even so, a strong, resilient person will live without any illnesses (although who knows?), while another will spend all the money saved for trauma pistols on some kind of medicine. :)
There are also cases where strength is necessary - like moving a bedside table, carrying an oak wardrobe from the first floor to the 18th floor in a building with a broken elevator;), and this has to be done often - it's no longer the era of slave labor, and it's not yet the era of robot slave labor. :) Of course, you need intelligence to at least know which part of the bedside table to move;), but knowledge at this level is as elementary as morning exercises, and anyone can do it.
So back off your rules,
Back off your jive!
Cause I'm sick of not living,
To stay alive,
Leave me alone!
I'm not asking a lot -
I just don't want to be controlled,
That's all I want.
All I want!
(с)The Offspring
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Kitty;169510
But still, a strong, resilient person will live without any illnesses (although who knows for sure?), while another will spend all the money saved for trauma pistols on some kind of medicine.
There are also cases where strength is necessary - for example, to move a nightstand, or to carry a heavy oak wardrobe from the first floor to the 18th floor in a building with a broken elevator. This has to be done often - it's no longer the era of slave labor, and it's not yet the era of robot slave labor. Of course, intelligence is needed, at least to know which part of the nightstand to move. But knowledge at this level is as elementary as morning exercises, and anyone can do it.
I just checked, a mover costs 700 rubles per hour, which is not very cheap, but quite reasonable, considering that you don't need to move nightstands very often (no more than 1-2 times a month). Of course, the money spent on a pistol (one is quite enough) is also worth it, as some models are visually similar to combat pistols, which makes them a beautiful accessory that compensates for the lack of strength and gives the owner a formidable look.
As for being strong and resilient, you can become resilient without developing physical strength through regular cold showers.
However, it is impossible to deny that intelligence is an extremely important thing for a person's development (it has always been, it is now, and it always will be), unlike the extremely dubious and insignificant benefits of physical strength.
Oh yes, and about the costs of pistols - it is much easier and faster for an intelligent person to earn a living than for a strong but stupid person (for example, the same movers).
That's how it is.
Where do we go?
Where do we end up when we save the world?
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Okay, okay. I give up. I'm out of arguments. Stop pressuring me. It's just awkward for me to defend this point of view when I'm someone who hates physical education. It's not my job to support the statement "Might makes right."
Fine, I'll go watch others try to argue with each other. Agree, it's better than racking my own brain.
P.S. If anyone knows of any other advantages of strength over intellect, let me know. I'll be very grateful.
So back off your rules,
Back off your jive!
Cause I'm sick of not living,
To stay alive,
Leave me alone!
I'm not asking a lot -
I just don't want to be controlled,
That's all I want.
All I want!
(с)The Offspring