Posts from Duel: Archdevil vs Archangel

Actually, archangels and archdevils combined:smile02:, but still, ARCHANGELS.:smile36:

Archangels are better – they really rule!
Here’s why:
1) Archangels have consistent damage (but the risk remains if the opponent has consistently higher damage).
2) They have more hit points.
3) Archangels resurrect, while devils summon – defeat the devil unit, and the cave demons will disappear (as far as I remember), while the paladins will remain, and their attack might be decisive!

But still, the first turn is extremely important.

P.S. I haven’t played with Fallen very often, but if they can resurrect themselves “at the expense of the enemy,” that’s a huge plus.

P.S. I almost never play as Necropolis, but if they can resurrect, even themselves "at the expense of the enemy," that's a huge plus.

In Stronghold, they can't. It's too overpowered. They can cast punishing strike and divine retribution.

It seems like the stats of the Fallen were changed when they transformed into Seraphs, or were they always like that?:o :rolleyes:

Anyway, the maximum damage is 70, and if you cast Blessing, it's quite good:)

Let's argue about which is better, underwear or socks? Bets or drums? Both units are good: a) With their original heroes, b) In the hands of a skilled player. Everything else is irrelevant.

Here are my calculations:

1 Archangel vs 1 Archdevil (the archangel attacks first)

I am not taking the heroes' stats into account, or they are equal.

The angels' attack is 2 higher than the devils' defense. A difference of 2 gives a multiplier of 1.1

attack: 1*50*1.1=55.
counterattack: 1*36*1.05=37 (after rounding down) - 1*66*1.05=69

in total, after the 1st turn, the devils have 144 HP left, and the archangels have 151-183 HP. The calculations show that the angels need a stable 4 attacks to defeat the enemy, while the devils need 4-6 attacks to kill the enemy. In general, if the archangels attack first, they will definitely win; if the archdevils attack first, they have a chance to win... The average damage should be at least 55 for all their attacks, while their actual average damage is 53, i.e., the archdevils' chance of success is slightly less than 50% in the case of their first turn. Their initiative is the same, i.e., 50/50, which means that the archdevils are more likely to go first. In general, the archdevils have a chance, but it is much less than the archangels'. The simplest possible calculation gives an idea of who will win... In reality, it is not quite the same. If you take the heroes into account, the archangels' position becomes even more advantageous. The demons' attack and the humans' defense compensate for each other, while the humans' attack is significantly higher than the demons' defense. Usefulness in battle is another matter, which cannot be calculated, but is verified in practice.

P.S. I have rechecked all the calculations, but errors are not ruled out (although unlikely), I apologize in advance.

Guys, I don't know, when the first part of Heroes 5 came out, there was an intro, and I really liked the devil in it! It was something special, so my first experience playing the game was based on that. But I also liked the Archangels, especially the Fallen ones! But I think the Archangels are still stronger because they are more useful in the army! And Archdevils are definitely not weak either.

And if there are Archdevil and Seraphim, then Seraphim wins too; he will cast a retaliatory spell on himself, but his minimum damage is lower, which also makes one doubt him.

The Archdevil, although strong, will most likely be the first to take damage from the Archangel, which will give the Archangel a significant advantage. And if we consider the heroes who will simply observe the battle, then the human counterattack will secure the Archangel's victory (assuming, of course, that the heroes do not have other abilities). Although... in a one-on-one fight, the Archdevil has a chance to use Hellfire (which means – hold on, little angel). But at the same time, the Mark of the Cursed, Watch, and Prayer are not used, so the Archdevil's victory is doubtful. But still, the Archangel is better!

If we're talking about abilities, the demon could have a mastercraft amulet. Then the archdevil will be able to call for reinforcements.

The Archdevil, although strong, will most likely be the first to take damage from the Archangel, which will give the Archangel a significant advantage. And if we take into account the heroes who will simply observe the battle, then the human counterattack will secure the Archangel's victory (if, of course, the condition is that the heroes do not have other abilities). Although... in a one-on-one fight, the Archdevil has a chance to use Hellfire (which means - for a while). But at the same time, the Cursed Sign, Watch, and Prayer are not used, so the Archdevil's victory is doubtful. But still, the Archangel is better!

What abilities? If we are talking about the abilities of heroes, then Archangels will have an advantage in stats, an enhanced counterattack, etc. There are too many "ifs." And the meaning of my calculations was different. It rather shows that consistent damage is consistent damage. There won't be any funny damage, but at the same time, it won't hit hard. The strength of a monster does not depend on luck (the skill doesn't matter here). Unless, of course, we are talking about the "Divine Strength" and "Weakness" spells. But that's another "if."

Ha... it seems the developers here have read too many fairy tales where good triumphs over evil. They clearly made it that way, hence the motivation. They should have compared dragons or something. Angels are stronger!!!

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To be honest, it made me smile. What nonsense! Everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses. Even if archdevils lose in overall combat effectiveness (though only slightly), it doesn't make the other Inferno troops any weaker. I think the question of whether imps or militia are stronger is irrelevant. On level 3, everything is also quite clear, as is on level 5. And in general, demons often have to fight without archdevils, because upgrading them takes a very long time.

Major Whirlwind, for Humans, Archangels also don't appear very quickly for me. I prefer to spend money on training. But in general, I agree with you. I also think that it's pointless to compare individual units. Especially 1 on 1. Even with the Amulet of Mastery, one Archdevil won't always be able to summon reinforcements. But a group will.

However, I can play Humans much better than Demons.

Ah, those who haven't witnessed the battle between an archangel and an archdevil haven't truly lived. Swords clash, wings shine blindingly, and the air trembles with terrifying roars:D :D :D But good always triumphs and will always triumph, so the archangel will always be stronger than the devil!:)