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Hmm, but why, if you didn't like Cradle of Filth, shouldn't Monarch be listened to? I don't see the logical connection – they are a quality band, although I haven't listened to them very much.

Listen to Moonspell, that's quality... Cradle of Filth can't compete with them.

Slipknot hasn't broken up ;)

Well, I finally got around to this topic. Heh heh. Ex somewhere dropped a phrase about how I know a lot about music – I'll confirm his words with action... First, while it's still fresh in my mind... The song "Wings" is not by the band "Amatori," but by the band "Catharsis" (so it's just a cover). In my opinion, Catharsis currently has the most technically skilled lineup in Russia. Zhilyakov's vocals are, in my opinion, a benchmark; it's not like Samovata (from the band "Epidemia") with his wailing (he just doesn't have a very masculine voice). Mishin is definitely the best guitarist; what he does is beyond the capabilities of many even experienced guitarists. He can even play a flute solo while at it (and, which I particularly appreciate, he never brags about his skills). With Polyakov (rhythm guitar), you can compare him to the veteran Khlstinin (although he's been included in the 100 worst guitarists of the 20th century). Their drummer isn't particularly outstanding, but that's not necessary for a band playing melodic metal (you need crazy drummers with excellent control of the double bass pedal in black and death metal). I would call the keyboardist their weakest link. Yulia plays well, but she really declined in the last album (not a single solo), and she used to be so good. They have an instrumental track called "Tarantula"; you can listen to how she shreds on it. That's all about Catharsis. Cradle of Filth... I have very mixed feelings about this band. I used to listen to them a lot (especially because of the keyboards, kj1313 +1 for "Nymphetamine"). But now I'm a believer, so I deleted all Cradle of Filth songs from my computer, except for "Nymphetamine," "Her Ghost in the Fog" (kj, you should listen to it, it's a good song), and the cover of Maiden's "Hallowed Be the Name." I don't know what to say about Moonspell. But Cradle of Filth was practically the first in this genre (it all started back in 1985 when they played as an opening act for Sabbath at some festival), so they definitely deserve respect. As for the quality, I don't know much about black metal, but according to my friends (who are very knowledgeable about metal music), Cradle of Filth is a benchmark for black metal. I don't know much about their lineup, but their keyboardist has changed three times, which suggests that the band is unstable and, in my opinion, will last for about 4 more years. Sorry that the post is a bit rambling; I'm reading other pages of this topic at the same time. I came across the phrase: "Aria is cool." Undoubtedly, they are pioneers of metal in Russia. Undoubtedly, without them, perhaps everything in domestic metal music would have gone differently. But now, it's pure commerce. You think, why this reunion with Kipelov for one concert? It's just to make some money from the fans. Not only have they gone commercial themselves, but they also brought Epidemia with them. Compare their first three albums ("On the Edge of Time," "Will to Live," "The Mystery of the Magic Land") and the last three ("Elven Manuscript" (both parts) and "Life in Twilight"). Do you know what the difference is? The last three albums were recorded on the Aria-Records label. "Life in Twilight" is simply a remastered version of old songs. "Elven Manuscript" (the first part) is undoubtedly a significant event, a metal opera in Russia, who would have thought? It almost doesn't show the influence of Khlstinin and Dubinin on Epidemia yet. But what is the second part of the manuscript? The general directors of Aria-Records are not fools; they read the news and browse the internet, so they clearly saw that they had a target audience in the form of thousands of girls who were delighted by the romance about the tear and the ice rider. And what happened? The result was a sugary album that crunches like sugar sand in your teeth – that's one thing. They used to have problems with the keyboards, but now they have a lot, even more. So they crammed in a lot of effects, so the album can almost be called electronic. It's a pity... But it all started so well. For now, I'll take my leave; I need to go to school. I'll tell you a lot of interesting things in the evening. You can ask me some questions in the meantime, but in a private message, so as not to go off-topic. P.S. I can't help but say this: +1100 (a significant number, isn't it?). To Ex, for not liking alternative, nu-metal, metalcore, and everything related to it. I'll write a well-reasoned and structured opinion on this topic in the evening.

P.S. I can't help but say this: +1100 (a significant number, isn't it?). Exzu. For not liking alternative nu-metal and everything related to it. I'll write a well-reasoned and structured opinion on this topic in the evening.

I'm waiting, it's very interesting to see what you'll write.

Well then. I'll have my say too. Although Wolf and I agree on many things, there are plenty of points where we diverge. I'll justify my stance. In order. Here is my imho. Let's go.
Krylya — yes, undoubtedly. They belong to Catharsis. However, I don't consider them the most technical band in Russia at all. The vocals didn't grab me at all, and I like Samosvat's vocals much more. Although Pavel Okunev's vocals (early Epidemia soloist) are worse because I don't like them at all. Samosvat's voice, however, fits the style and performance manner of his band very well. What their lead guitarist plays didn't grab me in the slightest. They don't have any catchy solos! (Reminder that this is my imho). I like Holstinin much more. Rhythm guitar? So-so. In Krylya, the rhythm is just pathetic. So much so that even I could play it. I can't say anything about the drummer and the keyboardist because I mostly listen to the guitar. The keys somehow bypassed my ears, which isn't very flattering for the band, because for example, in Children of Bodom, the keys are very prominent. And the drummer... Well, he doesn't seem to ruin anything, and he double- basses correctly. He fits the style. I don't require anything more from him.
Cradles... Well, I won't say much... I haven't listened to them much. And I don't know much about black metal. But even I know that Cradle and Dimmu Borgir are the gold standard of black metal. That's simply why they are high quality. (This is, of course, not a refutation of Wolf's post, but rather an agreement with him on this point). Moonspell? You can hit me over the head, but it's the first time I've heard of them.
Aria... Now we've come to my favorite band. I won't argue with Wolf about Aria being a project for making money. I agree, that's exactly what it is. Only it's long since ceased to be the Aria that I love. Aria existed until 1999 (if I'm not mistaken), when the album "Generator of Evil" was released, and then the band split into the new Aria and Kipelov. Neither reaches the old level, back when Aria performed songs with meaning, and not this idiocy like "Armageddon". Yes. This band has exhausted itself and has long since lost the charisma it once had. And it's not a sin to make some money in such a situation. That's why they took Epidemia under their wing. Moreover, this band has very good musicians and good songs. I won't even agree with Wolf regarding the first manuscript and life in the twilight. Both are quite catchy. But the second part of the elven manuscript... Yeah... In short, they don't even hide that they want to rake in as much cash as possible, because there is absolutely nothing there except the well-known name of the band. Any sophisticated listener would just pass by these songs if they hadn't heard the loud name. There is no music there, no interesting plot, nothing there.
Meanwhile, I'll write my opinion on the styles Wolf mentioned.
Alt — in my view, just a direction in music specifically for people who don't understand the roots and what heavy music should be, but at the same time want to say they listen to heavy stuff rather than pop, electronics, or rap. I have a whole mountain of other grievances with this music, but I can't voice them for reasons of propriety or simply because I don't know how to formulate the thought. In general, here is an example. I think those forum members who listen to alternative know the band Slot. Well. This band covered Aria's song "Street of Roses". A legendary song. One of their greatest songs. And what's the result? Damn it, I got the impression that this woman with the microphone shouldn't be singing at all, those monstrosities with the instruments should have them taken away and returned to the stores where their rich daddies bought them, and to sing someone else's song, this damn Slot needs to listen to it first!!!
Nu metal?! What the hell kind of metal is that!? It's a sugary, nauseating, disgusting mixture of pop-rock and pop, in which electric guitars simply participate and that's why it was called metal, and it was also called that for the same reasons I mentioned about alternative — because it's TRENDY METAL!!! Which is absurd in itself! It's not metal. I don't understand for the life of me why they took such a name for the style. Typical pop.
Metalcore? Uh... Is that a mixture of rap and heavy stuff? Or am I wrong? I haven't listened to this style. But if I'm not mistaken, it's just some kind of perversion — mixing two styles that are opposite in music, lyrics, and philosophy, and after seeing what came out of it, continuing to perform it! It's nauseating to listen to.
Although, I must agree that metal itself is dying out. There are no high-quality, well-known bands in Russia now. And abroad, only old-timers. Although it's better there. Much better. There are still many strong bands there. I probably overreacted... Metal is dying in Russia because nobody needs it. Everyone is satisfied with RnB, trance, and pop. And talents? Who needs them? Nowadays it's enough to just have rich parents and grease the producer — a spot on stage is guaranteed.
There it is — my imho. You can throw the minuses at me, perhaps I've disappointed some with my opinion, but that's how it is, and it won't change. For I consider music one of the main spheres of society. As for disagreement... Well. It happens that people don't agree in their opinions. Here is my point of view, hopefully sufficiently structured and justified. If there are questions, please ask.

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My apologies! I confused metalcore with rapcore. I can't say anything about that style — haven't listened to it.

Wings - yes, undoubtedly. They belong to Catharsis.

I know it's not their song, I just said that I liked it...

Cradle... Well, I won't say much... I haven't listened to them much. And I don't know much about black metal. But even I know that Cradle and Dimmu Borgir are the standards of black metal. That's simply why they are high quality.

I can't really say anything either, I don't deny that they are the standard of their style, provided that's what the experts say, but if you compare the style, and the overall
Creation of the band with others (like Moonspell, they don't cut it)

Moonspell?

Their dark music isn't for everyone either, but they have gothic, folk, death, and doom, not just black

You can hit me over the head, but this is the first time I've heard of them.
Aria... Now we've come to my favorite band. I won't argue with Volkov about Aria being a project for making money. I agree, it is. Only it's been a long time since it was the Aria I love. Aria existed until 1999 (if I'm not mistaken), when the album "Generator of Evil" was released, and then the group split into the new Aria and Kipelov. Neither reaches the old level, when Aria performed songs with meaning, and not this idiocy, like "Armageddon".

It's been mentioned many times that their designation is "Aria" or the Russian "Iron Maiden"
nothing special since it's ordinary metal; for an example of ordinary metal, I take Metallica, simply higher quality if you compare classic metals and they did more for the development of metal... (I don't want to offend, but it's also a non-subjective opinion since I have no preference for either)

Well, in the meantime, I'll write my opinion on the styles Volkov mentioned.
Alt - in my view, it's just a direction in music specifically for people who don't understand the roots and what heavy music should be, but at the same time want to say they listen to heavy stuff and not pop, electronics, or rap.

Believe me, I know the roots of every style ;) ...I can rephrase: I listen to rap, pop, and heavy stuff, but together, not separately (alternative)

In general, there is an example. I think those forum members who listen to alternative know the band Slot. Well. This band covered the Aria song "Street of Roses". A legendary song. One of their greatest songs. And what's the result? Dammit, I got the impression that this woman with the microphone shouldn't be singing at all, the instruments should be taken away from those monstrosities and returned to the stores where their wealthy daddies bought them, and in order to sing someone else's song, this damn Slot needs to listen to it first!!!

Bad example, the band "SLOT" to be honest barely reaches average; I remember seeing in the news that they were given some award, for what exactly, maybe they learned how to play in the 3rd album "Trinity", I don't know... In short, a bad example

Nu metal?! What the hell kind of metal is that!? It's a sugary, sickening, disgusting mixture of pop-rock and pop, in which electric guitars just participate and therefore it was called metal, and it was also called that for the same reasons I mentioned about alternative - because it's FASHIONABLE METAL!!! Which is absurd in itself! It's not metal. I honestly don't understand why on earth they took such a name for the style. Typical pop.

You described pop-rock, not Nu-metal
brief reference
Nu-metal is not just pop (as a style of singing), it can also have rap, mini-operas, thrash, etc., guitars also have different sounds...

Metalcore? Uh... Is that a mixture of rap and heavy stuff? Or am I wrong? I haven't listened to this style. But if I'm not wrong, it's just some kind of perversion - to mix two styles that are opposite in music, lyrics, and philosophy, and after seeing what came of it, to continue performing it! It's sickening to listen to.

Rap has no music of its own anyway, regardless of whether guitars dominate, rap combines perfectly with hardcore, for example: "Clawfinger"

Although, I must agree that metal itself is dying out. There are no high-quality, famous bands in Russia now. And abroad, there are only old-timers. Although things are better there. Much better. There are still many strong bands there. I probably spoke too hastily... Metal is dying out in Russia because nobody needs it. R&B, trance, and pop are enough for everyone. And talents? Who needs them? These days it's enough to just have rich parents and grease the producer - a way onto the stage is guaranteed.
There it is - my imho. You can throw minus ratings at me, perhaps I've disappointed some with my opinion, but that's how it is, and it can't be changed. For I consider music to be one of the main spheres of society. And disagreement... Well. It happens that people don't agree in their opinions. Here is my point of view, I hope it is sufficiently structured and justified. If there are any questions, please ask.

Metal is not dying out, it's thriving, it has become higher quality and more diverse, and there are talents, even here... so it's not over...

Nothing special? Nonsense. Aria did more for Russian heavy metal than Metallica, and Iron Maiden is generally a stronger band than Metallica. Their music is much more complex, and their philosophy is deeper. And I'm not even talking about their contribution to metal.
The reference is so-so. What specific problems are mentioned as alternatives? It's all pretty stale. And in Metallica, there aren't many songs that really address important issues; it's mostly lyrics.
Exactly. Pop, rap, and heavy metal. A terrible combination.
Slot, and I haven't listened to anything else except a few songs by Amatori. By the way, I liked HOW the guys play, but WHAT they play is impossible to listen to. Do they even know what melody is? Their covers are actually pretty good. So, if something like Slot is considered average... Ugh, I'm afraid to imagine weaker bands. I might die from a sonic shock.
Ah! Nu-metal! My apologies... But what is this style anyway? Is it Korn and Linkin Park? At least I've heard that they are representatives of this style. Although their music is completely different. True, in Linkin Park, there is what I said in the previous post, and in Korn, there are long, heavy, and boring instrumental parts.
Rap and hardcore don't mix. The guitar wasn't invented for rap, and rap wasn't invented for heavy music. It's like playing R&B to classical music.
You say it's not dying out? Well, name a few young, promising bands, both here and abroad. From our country, I'd probably mention Arda and Kharizma. I'm listening.
+1 for a well-expressed opinion, even though I don't agree with it.

Metal is great; I listened to it a lot in the 80s. Now, as the years go by, I'm more drawn to the music written by Bards. It's a shame there isn't an option for that in the voting, so I voted for alternative music.

Bards definitely have nothing to do with the alternative genre. It's more like folk or rock.

Folk music – for example, Russian folk music or any national music – isn't really rock, but rather something like chanson, so I think the creator made a mistake by not including this as an option.
Although there are other options in the voting system, I somehow missed it.

Damn... Who can I tell... I wanted to write from school, but the teacher closed the post halfway through. I came home. The internet was cut off three times in the middle of writing. And then, when the post was almost finished, my sister closed it because she wanted to have the whole screen for her game. Now I hope nothing will stop me... In my first post, Exa, when I was expressing my opinion, I forgot to say that Catharsis, in my opinion, is the most technically proficient band. Therefore, you are free to disagree. Besides, Zhilyakov's vocals are objectively stronger (3 versus 2.5 octaves range compared to Samostat). As for catchy solos... Maybe you listened to Catharsis a bit superficially? They have catchy solos, and quite a few at that. Further, Exa, you made me laugh... You compared them to Bodom... Ha ha... You might as well have compared them to Tomas from Nightwish. In COB, the keyboards account for 30% of the band because melodic metal and symphonic metal are completely different things. In Catharsis, if you heard them, it would be a bad thing; they simply create a beautiful background. If you want to compare Catharsis to someone, it would be Blind Guardian. By the way, Samostat himself, who do you think is the most technically proficient band? Black Obelisk (and I partially agree with him). Aria and Epidemia... "Elfiyskaya Rukopis" (Elven Manuscript) is magnificent, but I will say that although Epidemia has a significant role in it, many other talented musicians participated in the recording. And "Zhizn' v Sumerkakh" (Life in Twilight) is all the songs that were already on "Feniks" (the first album); they were simply sung by Samostat, which undoubtedly added color. Regarding the breakup of the Aria band, I can't help but notice: who released "Chimera"? (by the way, it's my favorite album). They broke up in 2002. In 1999, they were simply taking a break: Kipelov and the Mavrins rested until the "turbulent times," and Kholstinin, Dubinin, and Manyakin did the acoustic project "Avariya." And then there was another reunion, and as already mentioned, the album "Chimera" followed. By the way, the last concert before Kipelov left, in Luzhniki, was called "Sudny Den'" (Doomsday). Symbolic... A huge thank you to Exa for saving me from having to explain my position, as it is exactly the same as his. There's nothing to add. And metal will never die. It may transform somewhat. Next, a quick tour of Europe. I'll add a couple of interesting bands. Epitafiya (there's a vocalist there who sang in Mavrin's solo albums) and Shmelei (although they are closer to industrial). That's all for now, because I'm afraid the lights will go out soon.

That's also a very good opinion. It's well-reasoned, and I agree with many points.
I haven't listened to Catharsis much because it didn't grab me from the first songs. In general, comparing Catharsis to Aria seems a bit absurd to me because I've been listening to Aria for several years and haven't gotten tired of it, while I quickly stopped listening to Catharsis. Of course, this is just my opinion. Next. What about Thomas from Knights? What are you talking about? Please explain. And what about the children of Bodun... The keyboardist contributes much more than 30%. Much more. He plays solos just as well as Alexi Laiho himself.
Regarding Aria, you're probably right. Although I still think that "Generator" came out before "Chimera."
As for the idea that it will never die... Never for those of us who are like us. You're right. But what about the next generation? R&B? Drum and bass? Trance? Something like that will emerge. Metal is needed by almost no one. To my great regret. Almost none of those who listen to the music I just mentioned respect other genres. Why bother with anything else? I really hope I'm wrong.
I haven't listened to Epitafiya or Shmeli.

Thomas (his last name is unpronounceable) is the undisputed leader of Nightwish; he writes all the lyrics and music. And in Nightwish, the keyboards are also a defining element. Regarding Children of Bodom (I always call them that too). Laiho's solos are definitely better than the keyboard solos – I'm 100% sure of that. Is it more than 30% better? Much more? Because it's definitely 45% Laiho. And they also have a pretty good drummer. And a second guitarist. They only have a "conducting" bass, meaning it just plays the lower notes of the guitar chords, which a wild child plays (as a reminder, Alexi's nickname is WildChild). Regarding what came before... I fell off my chair. Generator came after "Nightwish" and before "Wishmaster." P.S. Don't listen to the Scorpions – you won't like it, but definitely listen to Epitaph!!

Nothing special? Nonsense. Aria did much more for Russian heavy metal than Metallica, and Iron Maiden is generally a stronger band than Metallica. Their music is much more complex, and their philosophy is deeper. And I'm not even talking about their contribution to metal.

That was a long time ago, and I listen to all kinds of rock music, so Metallica has done more for rock music in general than Aria has for Russia...
Note: let's not forget that rock music was brought to us from abroad, and without the Beatles, there would have been nothing.

The reference is so-so. What problems are mentioned as alternatives? It's all pretty stale.

Nu-Metal is one of the latest varieties of heavy rock. While traditional Heavy Metal and Thrash, in particular, are based on straightforward, fast rhythms, Nu-Metal is characterized by slow, groovy patterns. The vocal line is usually not melodic; hip-hop-style rapping is often used. As in all other branches of the genre, the guitar carries the main load, but along with the standard "guitar-bass-drums" ensemble, additional musicians and expressive means can be used - DJs, several vocalists, and samplers. "Faith No More" (album "The Real Thing") and "Helmet" ("Meantime") are considered pioneers of Nu-Metal.

Metallica doesn't have many songs that really address important issues; it's mostly lyrics.

I don't listen to music for the lyrics, so lyrics aren't the most important thing for me.

Exactly. Pop, rap, and heavy metal. A terrible combination.

No, it's called experimentation, originality.

Slot, and I haven't listened to anything else except for a few songs by Amatori. By the way, I liked HOW the guys play, but WHAT they play is impossible to listen to. Have they even heard of melody? And their covers are really good. So, if Slot is considered average... Ugh, I'm afraid to imagine weaker bands. I might die from a sonic shock.

Don't imagine, I can name Tokio Hotel :smile48: :smile48: :smile48:

Ah! Nu-metal! Sorry... But what is this style anyway? If it includes Korn and Linkin Park? At least I've heard that they are representatives of this style. Even though their music is completely different. True, in Linkin Park, there is what I said in the previous post, and in Korn, there are long, drawn-out, and boring passages.

Reference:
style Mallcore:
The name (also incorrectly associated with NU-metal) given to post-grunge bands,
whose albums can be bought in malls. These bands have strong hardcore
elements in their music (aggressive vocals, lack of heaviness). Mallcore can also be easily identified
by the lyrics, which are aimed at teenagers. The meaning of the lyrics ranges from attempts at suicide,
childhood grievances, to meaningless longing. Good examples of such bands are Korn, Linkin Park,
Machine Head, and Drowning Pool.

Rap and hardcore don't mix. The guitar wasn't invented for rap, and rap wasn't invented for heavy music. It's like playing R&B to classical music.

Listen to Clawfinger, at least the song Confrontation; it's a perfect combination of rap and hardcore.

You say it's not dying out? Well, name a few young, promising bands, both here and abroad. From our side, I'd probably mention Arda and Kharizma. I'm listening.
+1 for a well-expressed opinion, even though I don't agree with it.

I don't know about Russian bands, but I can name some promising Ukrainian bands: Tol, Anna, Karna, Merva.

The keyboard player plays his instrument better than Alex does on the guitar. Despite my love for Alex and the guitar, I'm saying this. I'm afraid we won't agree on this. The second guitarist isn't anything special.
Regarding Aria, I'm ashamed, but you might be right. I don't know the chronology very well, although I know almost all the lyrics (except for a few).
Regarding the other post.
What does it mean, "it was a long time ago"? Is Iron Maiden gone? That's nonsense. Besides, it didn't start with the Beatles (although I don't underestimate their contribution), but with Elvis.
And what do you listen to music for? Just to have it loud? Hmm...
Tokyo Hotel? That's not music at all, it's not worth mentioning.
And it's not necessarily true that originality is a good thing. It could turn out to be something completely awful. And that's what happened in this particular case.
I don't want to listen to rap and heavy metal. I've tried it. I don't want to hear it again. It's disgusting. I'm not a fan of rap, but I'd rather listen to rap.
I can't say anything about these bands - I haven't listened to them.

Slipknot is a prime example of nu-metal, and I wouldn't say there's anything from rap in it.

There's a bit of hip-hop in the song "Spit It Out" and rap in the song "Sucks."