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As usual, "Spring" brings unpredictable matches, players, and outcomes – this is how most Competitive Ranked games start, and then everything settles down. So, there's no real surprise here.
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As usual, "Spring," the fields, and the players are unpredictable, and that's how most competitive rounds start. Then everything will fall into place. So, no surprises.
Wolf, I actually communicate on football forums, where middle-aged and older men have been watching the championship for over a decade. In particular, I do football predictions (for fun). So, even forecasters with 10 years of experience are in shock from the results of this round. Such a low percentage of correct predictions hasn't been seen in a long time:smile21:.
So, I'm not just speaking for myself.
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I've been a long-time fan of CS, so I take all the surprises in our championship in stride. I can say specifically about my team that the only year when the predictions of CS fans didn't come true at the beginning of the season was in 2003. Otherwise, if you look at the team forums, those who lost usually complain about the condition of the fields, the weather, and the referees. Those who were favored claim from the very first match that they're almost guaranteed a top spot. Also, we shouldn't forget about football luck, and I don't think there's much to be surprised about. Just wait, everything will fall into place after 3-5 rounds.
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What "usual" places are you referring to? :smile07: Are you saying that every year our position in the tournament table remains unchanged? Do you think that the previous season went as expected for Lokomotiv, CSKA, and Dynamo fans, for example? It completely overturned all plans and predictions. For example, can you say how Lokomotiv will perform with their new coach? And how Akinfeev will return after missing an entire season (by the way, he is a key figure for the team, just as Rakhimov is for Lokomotiv)? I'm not even talking about Dynamo, whose position this season is impossible to predict, and Moscow, which, with Slutsky's departure, is becoming a "dark horse" in the entire Championship. So, the "usual places" are still a mystery, and it is quite possible that the first round will be more indicative of the season's trends than we think.
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I mean the situation with the leading teams, such as Spartak, CSKA, Zenit, Lokomotiv, and the rest of the teams, the mid-table teams will remain in their place. By the way, about Dynamo, this team has been practically a mid-table team for almost 3 seasons, and there were even seasons when they barely managed to stay in the Premier League. I won't say anything about CSKA, but I want to note that the leader, and I'm not afraid to say it, of our domestic football, Tikhonov, has returned. I hope that he will once again make a difference in our club.
Note that all the teams have strengthened to varying degrees, and I think there won't be any surprises.
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White Wolf;161497
I mean the situation with the leading teams, such as Spartak, CSKA, Zenit, Lokomotiv, and the rest of the teams will remain in their place.
It seems you're not aware of what place Lokomotiv took in the Russian Championship 2007...:smile07: And do I need to remind you what place CSKA held throughout the entire season? They barely managed to snatch bronze at the end of the season, and that was despite the fact that they were expected to win the championship. Then, Spartak was crowned champions early in 2007, already in August, and their championship seemed undeniable. But the result... you know it yourself.
White Wolf;161497
By the way, about Dynamo, this team has been practically mid-table for almost 3 seasons, and there were seasons when they barely managed to stay in the Premier League. I won't say anything about CSKA.
But why not talk about CSKA? Maybe then you'll remember better who was a candidate for relegation from the Premier League last season - Dynamo or...? And I'll remind you that Dynamo finished in 6th place in the championship, while Lokomotiv, in your words, a "leading team," finished in 7th place.
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I remember very well who was a candidate for elimination, and CS was one of them. But I want to reiterate and defend my team, but there were big financial problems, which are not observed at all in Dynamo.
Now about CSKA, I think the players were simply tired after a stellar season, the game schedule was overloaded, and the players burned out, and a lot was demanded of them.
Lokomotiv's problems emerged after Semin left; he was the right coach for this team, and with his departure, chaos began in the club, and so on.
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White Wolf;161516
I remember very well who was a candidate for elimination, and CSKA was one of them. But I want to reiterate and defend my team, but there were big financial problems, which are not observed at all in Dynamo.
Wolf, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?:smile07: There are no financial problems at Dynamo?! Thank you, this year a general sponsor, Metalloinvest, appeared, and before that they lived on credit, literally - on a VTB loan, you don't need to explain to me, I think, what the difference is between this and the sponsorship of Lukoil, Gazprom, Russian Railways, and the like? Dynamo has perhaps the shortest "bench" in the Premier League, and do you want to look at the transfer table for the season? I can tell you that Dynamo has only one transfer this season - one! - and look how many there are in all the other teams? Do you think this is because they are doing well and have a fat wallet?
No, you clearly didn't think before you said that about Dynamo's finances. Or you just don't know.
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Now about CSKA, I think the players were just tired after a stellar season, the game schedule was overloaded, and the players burned out, and a lot was demanded of them.
Lokomotiv's problems emerged after Semin left, he was the right coach for this team, and with his departure, chaos began in the club, etc.
...and so on, and so forth....
That's what I'm talking about! No one is guaranteed a place in the standings for life, and no one knows what surprises the season has in store for us.
What are we even arguing about? About who has a prettier pattern in the coffee grounds?:D
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I'm not arguing, I'm just expressing my point of view. If you look at it, every season starts with some unexpected wins or losses. But then everything returns to normal. And unfortunately, no one will convince me otherwise. As far as I understand, you are a fan of DINAMO. I'm glad, because I belong to the category of people who formed or organized this club in the distant past.
Best of luck to you and your club.
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Where am I? Is this a place to discuss relationships or football? Actually, I support Spartak! And Bayern Munich! And Chelsea! I never liked the way our team plays!
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Premier League 2008 1 Amkar 2 2 0 0 6 2 Rubin 2 2 0 0 6 3 CSKA 2 1 1 0 4 4 Zenit 2 1 1 0 4 5 Dynamo 2 1 1 0 4 6 Spartak M 2 1 1 0 4 7 Saturn 2 1 0 1 3 8 CS 2 1 0 1 3 9 Lokomotiv 2 1 0 1 3 10 Spartak Nch 2 1 0 1 3 11 Shinnik 2 0 1 1 1 12 Luch-Energiya 2 0 1 1 1 13 Tom 2 0 1 1 1 14 Moscow 2 0 1 1 1 15 Terek 2 0 0 2 0 16 Khimki 2 0 0 2 0 This is what the standings table looks like after the second round.
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Moscow has certainly declined significantly compared to last year... The departure of Slutsky was clearly a big mistake. And for what? Did they really aim for medals? He was almost about to deliver them to the club – just one more year of refinement, and... Well, they wanted everything at once. For now, the picture is depressing.

Added 9 hours 45 minutes ago

The youth team of Moscow's "Dynamo" won the prestigious international club tournament in Düsseldorf. In the final match, which consisted of two 30-minute halves, the youth team of English "Tottenham" was defeated with a score of 3:0. Dynamo's forward, Roman Panin, became the top scorer of the tournament; in addition, the blue-and-whites received the Fair Play Cup.

Recall that in the group stage, Dynamo's youth team defeated their peers from "Seville" and "Werder," drew with "Fortuna," and lost to "Tottenham." In the semi-finals, the blue-and-whites defeated the young players of "Barcelona." According to the tournament regulations, players no older than 19 years old participated in it.

(based on materials from Fcdin.com)
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Hmm... I read it here... and was stunned...
Slonysh, you're being overly critical of someone else's point of view again...:):):)..
Well, if someone has that opinion, express your own in a less harsh way ;)..
Some corrections... Dinmao, your favorite, had 2 acquisitions... Making predictions is an ungrateful task... the fact that some "guys" are making predictions... let them do it... we don't care what they came up with and decided to put there... I don't think there were any real surprises in the first round... Lokomotiv lost... well, they also played poorly in the Super Cup, a change of coach...
CSKA? There's no more of that invincibility... the Brazilians... they should have been kicked out, and a new team should have been created... Khimki? The departure of Shirokov and Tikhonov, and the coach... are making themselves felt... plus the second-year syndrome... Shinnik pleasantly surprised...
I wrote this quickly, so I anticipate you'll be throwing darts at my feet;)))
P.S. Slonysh, hello!))
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BotINKi;165553
Hmm... I read it here... and was stunned...
Slonysh, you're once again being overly critical of someone else's point of view...:):):)..
Well, if someone has such an opinion, express your own in a less harsh way ;)..
Botinki, what are you talking about? It seems like we've already sorted things out, and he's not holding a grudge against me. Why are you so worried?
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some corrections... Dinamo, your favorite, had 2 acquisitions...
Actually, it seems like they had three already. To avoid being just talk, I'll provide a table of Premier League transfers as of March 13th. If Dinamo doesn't stand out in this table, then you're, excuse me, completely biased.:smile51:
BotINKi;165553

Predictions are a thankless task... the fact that some "guys" make predictions... let them do it... what do we care about what they come up with and decide to bet on...
Well, yes, it's so thankless that many of these "guys" make a decent living from these predictions – 50-60 thousand rubles a month from bookmakers.
But that's not the point.
The point is that if "some guys," a few hundred of them, believe that Zenit will win against Rubin at their home field, and the exact opposite happens, then that indicates an unpredictable outcome, doesn't it?
BotINKi;165553

Lokomotiv lost... well, they also played strangely in the Super Cup, a change of coach...
I hear an objective opinion... from a Lokomotiv opponent about the Super Cup. Okay...:smile50:
BotINKi;165553

CSKA? Well, they don't have that invincibility anymore... the Brazilians... they should have been kicked out, and a new team should have been created... Khimki? The departure of Shirokov and Tikhonov, as well as the coach... are making themselves felt... plus the second-year syndrome... Shinnik pleasantly surprised...
Explain to me, how is your "analysis" significantly different from the discussions of a couple of hundred "guys," except that these guys have been watching football for 20-30 years longer than you? It's the same "kitchen talk"... It's not the ultimate truth. You expected one team to win, and I expected another – and now, am I not allowed to express my opinion?
I don't understand the point of your attack..
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Yeah, it's such an ungrateful job that many guys make a decent living with these predictions – 50-60 grand a month from bookmakers.
Yeah, or they say they do. The question is: what's the starting capital?
But the point is that if "some guys," a few hundred of them, think that Zenit will win against Rubin at their home field, and the exact opposite happens, then that speaks to an unpredictable outcome, doesn't it?
Not quite. It speaks to the unpredictability of that outcome for those few hundred guys. Personally, I thought it would be a draw, but I'm not surprised by Rubin's victory (as with all the other results of the round), I didn't believe in Zenit's victory at all; they have other concerns right now. And if Rubin's newly acquired players start playing well together, then someone will have to move over, not only in the UEFA zone, but possibly in the top three, although it's too early to talk about that.
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