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Didn't you understand? Did you not like the expression? Explain why.
Okay, I'll explain. If you want, we can even have a religious debate, but not today (I kind of want to sleep).
Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа... Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей, Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе... Агата Кристи Ты должен быть сильным, Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня, Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?! КИНО
Okay... I guess the joke didn't land. I personally haven't seen such books about religion. In my opinion, there are much more books about faith being good, bringing happiness, and so on. And there are also tons of various sects and sectarian books, but these are all minor things, of course. I have never objected to faith, but don't you (religious people) see what has happened and is happening to the church? Or do you simply believe, regardless of the church service?
Of course, a significant number of priests use their position to line their pockets, but you should see what Catch writes; it's something else entirely... Christianity was created with the goal of destroying the Roman Empire, and it successfully accomplished its task. Then, under the threat of complete annihilation, Vladimir was ordered to baptize the Slavs. In this part, I might be wrong, but he (Vladimir) exterminated so many of his fellow tribesmen that it's impossible to count, and he almost destroyed Rus'. When I say EVIL, I mean EVIL on exactly that scale
Where do we go? Where do we end up when we save the world?
Besides, Catch reread books about how Christianity is EVIL (exactly like that), and mocks history textbooks because he knows better what was really happening back then. I promised not to argue anymore in this thread, but if Catch asks you to quote any of these statements, I can dig through the thread and provide a quote with a comment.
Nah, no need for that :) I've read about as many books about the evil of Christianity as I have about the evil of other religions ;) Including atheism :rolleyes: History textbooks? Well, how can I treat them if, during my school years, they wrote one thing, today they write another, and tomorrow they will write a third. And this applies not only to events of the last century, but also to long-gone days. And I prefer other authors to history textbooks, whom I trust more, but I admit that they are not without flaws either ;)
P.S. I'm curious :) Why is Great Neo so consistently giving me dislikes? :) It seems like I haven't said anything about the evil of his religion in my recent posts :) And even the opposite, it turns out he supports Lelya, who has fallen under the influence of the Antichrist, and doesn't want her to leave it :) Strange guy :)
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Of course, a significant number of priests use their position to line their pockets, but you should see what Catch writes, it's something else... Christianity was created with the goal of destroying the Roman Empire, and it successfully accomplished its task, and then, under the threat of complete destruction, Vladimir was ordered to baptize the Slavs. In this part, I'm afraid I might be wrong, but he (Vladimir) killed so many of his fellow tribesmen that it's impossible to count, and almost destroyed Rus'. When I say EVIL, I mean EVIL on exactly that scale :)
Oops... the edited post has become much more interesting :) Before you start mocking my words, you should go beyond the school textbook, which now contains so much nonsense that it's sickening to read. Read some good authors, not those who are now trying to politically correct our history. And form your opinion about Vladimir not from the same-named cartoon, in which history has been so distorted that it is simply impossible to watch for someone who knows at least a little about history. Do you know that Vladimir, being an illegitimate son of Svyatoslav, had no rights to the throne, treacherously killed his brothers with the support of Byzantium, and the condition of this support was precisely the adoption of Christianity by Rus'? I hope you know how the violent introduction of religion happens? Even not on the example of Rus', but on more recent ones. How missionaries introduced Christianity in Africa and America... Before you laugh, be at least a little knowledgeable about the subject and start learning to have your own opinion, different from what you are being instilled by various kinds of propaganda, whether it is government or religious. ;)
I haven't seen any subtle psychologists on the forum yet (though, in theory, Locken could be one, but he doesn't reveal that side of his talents).
It's very simple: a forum is a place where you can easily chat and have fun, but constant psychoanalysis and subtle manipulation of minds then start to turn into an obligation, which negatively affects subsequent engagement in this activity.
...in general, you righteous people, have you ever thought about the existence of gods?
In ancient times, people invented gods and spirits to explain phenomena they didn't understand.
The sun rises and sets. How? Why? It's a bit unsettling... the unknown...
Ah! Of course! It's the sun god! This simple and understandable explanation satisfied many.
"Tezcatlipoca travels across the sky in a chariot during the day, and at night he fights the god of darkness and defeats him, which is why the sun rises again in the morning..."
"Thunder! It's all Perun! He's angry and fighting with Triglav, and that's why it thunders – from the blows of his hammer."
"Skadi, the goddess of winter and cold, didn't like Loki, the god of mischief and malicious jokes. So, she joined forces with Odin, the god of war, and Thor, the thunderer, to defeat Loki, but they couldn't, because a great battle took place between Odin and Fenrir, the wolf spirit, and Fenrir captured Odin, and his followers wept..."
Now, this seems funny to you, Christians. Because only your faith is true, right? You're not pagans.
But people back then considered this to be an unshakeable truth, and they could just as easily accuse non-believers of godlessness and heresy. No, not non-believers. Unfaithful.
What about Allah? The Great Jihad, Karamat, etc.? This is all competition with Christianity. Do you consider this religion to be false? If not, then why are they so different, and isn't that why the wars were so brutal?
And what about the Crusades? The army of Jesus tried to impose the "true faith" on the Saracens with fire and sword. But they weren't bothering anyone.
Why wouldn't Saladin have gone after Richard? If he had defeated Richard the Lionheart, perhaps we would now be living under Islam, and somewhere Christians would be carrying out "punitive operations."
I'm not urging you to shave your heads, cover yourselves in ashes, and renounce religion, but at least I'm trying to offer an objective perspective on things.
...and, Lelya, you should really tell everyone here about your significant dream, because all of this is starting to make people smirk. It's all just assurances about the Antichrist appearing to you, but what important thing did he tell you, burdening your mind with heavy knowledge – that part is left out.
And, please, no excuses like "you won't believe me, you'll laugh," if you've already started all this, then at least provide the whole picture.
Of course, a significant number of priests use their position to line their pockets, but you should see what Catch writes; it's something else entirely... Christianity was created with the goal of destroying the Roman Empire, and it successfully accomplished its task. Afterward, under the threat of complete annihilation, Vladimir was ordered to baptize the Slavs. In this part, I might be misremembering, but he (Vladimir) exterminated so many of his fellow tribesmen that it's impossible to count, and he almost destroyed Rus'.
In any case, Christianity shouldn't be blamed; throughout history, criminals have used religion to cover up their dirty deeds, and it was true in the past and is true now.
Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа... Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей, Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе... Агата Кристи Ты должен быть сильным, Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня, Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?! КИНО
What the heck, why is Loken writing my thoughts, and before that, he was acting normally... what the...?))
Do you remember how many gods there were in ancient Greece? And all these gods represented incomprehensible phenomena:
Lightning struck a person, therefore Zeus punished him, a person drowned, so Neptune is angry, and so on.
Then people were able to find a scientific explanation for these factors, and before all of humanity, there was only one question: where did we come from? Naturally, many do not believe that humans evolved from monkeys, and therefore there is currently no definitive version of the origin of humans...
Maybe aliens brought us here:D
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Damn, Loken is a telepath, I think))
Есть свет и тьма, Добро и зло, Есть сила и власть, И много всего Но знай ты одно, Что все это чушь, И лишь без любви Не проживешь ты и дня..
Did you know that Vladimir, being an illegitimate son of Svyatoslav, had no rights to the throne, treacherously killed his brothers with the support of Byzantium, and the condition for this support was precisely the adoption of Christianity by Rus'? I hope you know how the forced introduction of religion works. Not even using the example of Rus', but looking at later periods. How missionaries introduced Christianity in Africa and America...
The fact that Vladimir killed his brothers is unconfirmed (but, of course, likely). The idea that Vladimir used the support of Byzantium under the promise that he would spread Christianity is a hypothesis. The fact that the baptism of Rus' was difficult (but still much easier than with the Africans, because in our case, the prince himself was baptized, and you can't argue against his will) is a historical fact, perhaps the only one, and even then, the details are greatly exaggerated. You seem like an intelligent person; you should understand that at that time, a centralized religion was necessary. They tried to introduce Perun, but it didn't work, and then they started thinking and introduced Christianity, with difficulty, but they did it. And don't disdain textbooks; in any case, you can read books by different authors and even foreign textbooks to compare information. It's still better than reading books by historians who have only a couple of hypotheses in their heads, like "Alexander Nevsky = Alexander the Great" (this is not a joke; it's a real hypothesis, although, for some reason, it doesn't enjoy much trust among most historians). Almost forgot, Lochen, firstly, Islam and Christianity are largely similar; it's just that they have mullahs who are stubborn, and our priests are stubborn, hence the disagreements. In general, I think that all religions, in one way or another, imply the same God, they just call him by different names. Some find it easier to imagine him as a pantheon of gods, while others imagine him as a house spirit. It all depends on how you perceive the world.
Where do we go? Where do we end up when we save the world?
As far as I know, God is one for everyone... only the perception of His form differs among each nation. By the way, history also provides its roots here. When England felt serious resistance in its colonies, mainly due to the introduction of a foreign religion, measures were taken to create a common concept of God. (Well, in England, they said that the inhabitants of the colonies had adopted Catholicism, while they told others that they could keep their faith... but the point was not religion at all, but wealth).
Есть свет и тьма, Добро и зло, Есть сила и власть, И много всего Но знай ты одно, Что все это чушь, И лишь без любви Не проживешь ты и дня..
Don't be afraid to use textbooks; in any case, you can take authors from different backgrounds and read foreign textbooks to verify the information. It's still better than reading books by historians who have only a couple of hypotheses in their minds, like "Alexander Nevsky = Alexander the Great" (this is not a joke; it's a real hypothesis, although, for some reason, it doesn't enjoy much trust among most historians).
I read a lot of literature, of various kinds and by authors with very different views. That's why I have the opportunity to form my own opinion ;) And I can also read textbooks ;) And I do ;) So... As for Nevsky = Alexander the Great, there is too little evidence to take it seriously.
MANY LETTERS!!! I CAN'T HANDLE IT!!! 30 CHARACTERS ARE ALSO TOO MUCH!!!
Хороший сон укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошая еда укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошие деньги укрепляют боевой дух. А больше всего укрепляет боевой дух - отсутствие врага.
TOO MANY LETTERS!!! CAN'T HANDLE IT!!! 30 CHARACTERS ALSO CAN'T HANDLE IT!!! __________________
Aha, see, Cthulhu can't even help you handle the letters! Because Cthulhu is for the Antichrist (well, at least he's not against it...).
Чую время пришло и захлопнулась дверь Ангел пропел и полопалась кожа... Мы выпили жизнь, но не стали мудрей, Мы прожили смерть, но не стали моложе... Агата Кристи Ты должен быть сильным, Ты должен уметь сказать: Руки прочь, прочь от меня, Ты должен быть сильным, иначе зачем тебе быть?! КИНО
Хороший сон укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошая еда укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошие деньги укрепляют боевой дух. А больше всего укрепляет боевой дух - отсутствие врага.
I'm scared to stay here any longer)). Ladies and gentlemen... Only on our forum will you see the confrontation between the servants of our Lord and the Great Cthulhu (for ticket purchases, please contact me).
And in reality, this is already frightening))) soon we will open compulsory sects.
Есть свет и тьма, Добро и зло, Есть сила и власть, И много всего Но знай ты одно, Что все это чушь, И лишь без любви Не проживешь ты и дня..
Dracon Малласа
