- Tactics skill in Heroes 3. — Tactics

Рыцарь света

1/11/2008 8:22 AM UTC

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Gamer-Kirill, I take back my words. Okay. I would gladly play with you, but I don't have unlimited internet. I only play via modem, but I would play.
AmberSoler, but you have to agree that they are not very useful, and that I (and I think you too) would prefer something better?

gamer-kirill

1/11/2008 8:39 AM UTC

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2 Knight of Light
It's a shame that it's a limited unit. Oh well...
Generally, I often play as Sylvan and Barbarian, so I'm very happy to get this tactic. I rarely take Wisdom, as I often don't have time to reach level 4-5))) But Amber Soler said it best, I don't think I have anything to add. We need to play more online or in Hot Seat.

Sorry for the off-topic, but is it "Knight of Light" or "Knight of the Light"?
The gender is not specified in the info.)))))

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Рыцарь света

1/11/2008 2:00 PM UTC

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2 Light Knight
It's a shame that it's limited. Oh well...
But in general, I often play as the Swamp and the Barbarians, so I'm very happy to get Tactics. I rarely take Wisdom, as I often don't have time to reach level 4-5. But Amber Soler said it best, I don't think I have anything to add. We need to play more online or in hotseat.

Sorry for the off-topic, but is it "Light Knight" or "Light Knight"?
The gender is not specified in the info.)))))

I respect your choice - Swamp. Respect to you.

I would also be happy to play against someone.

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Amber Soler, I sometimes host my own tournament. We have an annual tournament with my friends. I'm second there. I can't seem to beat the champion and take the crown from him. He always gets a little more lucky. But he has more gaming experience.

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Amber Soler, I sometimes host my own tournament. We have an annual tournament with my friends. I'm second there. I can't seem to beat the champion and take the crown from him. He always gets a little more lucky. But he has more gaming experience.
And believe me, I play decently for 3.5 years of experience. I know people who play for fun. I'm, let's say, 50/50.
Maybe skills like Scouting and Tactics are needed, but still "sometimes", not always.

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Cheri@

1/11/2008 6:43 PM UTC

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I never choose Tactics! It's better to take any other skill; even Diplomacy is more useful! If the units of a faction have low speed, the opponent will still go first. And if the speed is high, I still don't understand the point of the skill. Explain it to me.

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AmberSoler

1/11/2008 9:07 PM UTC

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Cheri@;143080

I never take the Tactics skill! It’s better to take any other skill; even Diplomacy is more useful! If a faction’s units have low speed, the opponent will still go first. And even if the speed is high, I just don’t understand the point of the skill. Explain it to me.

1. You attack an opponent with fast units. You have the option to protect your ranged units before the battle begins.

2. You need to have your hero with a weak army escape from shooting neutral creatures – in the deployment mode, there is an option to “flee.” As a result, the hero remains alive; otherwise, he would have died and would no longer be available.

3. When playing against the AI, you can bring a “bait” unit forward, which the AI will attack first. As a result, the battle tactics can be varied, and you can take the lead even with slow units.

4. You can neutralize the opponent’s Tactics skill with your own Tactics skill – sometimes this is very useful if the opponent doesn’t realize your capabilities and expects an advantage that they won’t get in the end...

This is just off the top of my head...
I think there are many other ways to use Tactics.

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Рыцарь света

1/12/2008 2:06 AM UTC

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Cheri@, I also can't figure it out. I want to, but I can't. However, you seem to have offended diplomacy. It's a really great skill. Do you know how you can break through with it? By the way, I suggest playing as a diplomat hero (Adel - Castle, for example).

AmberSoler, the second point is convincing. I know it. And I rarely play against the computer - it's not interesting. But that's not enough to take it properly. Well, even if not properly, but just to take it in the end. It's not enough. Then I'll just take the property - and that will be more useful.

65RUS

1/12/2008 10:36 AM UTC

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It’s not that I don’t like tactics. I just find it the most useless skill. I only take it in one case: when my secondary hero is guarding a Castle and defeating enemies there, and he gains skills as a result…

"Отыщи всему начало, и ты многое поймёшь."
К. Прутков.

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Рыцарь света

1/12/2008 2:00 PM UTC

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It's not that I dislike Tactics. I consider it the most useless skill. I only take it in one case: when my secondary hero is guarding a Castle and wins, and gains skills there...

No, then it shouldn't be Scouting, but some kind of Navigation, so that the secondary hero can quickly explore the map by sea. Or even better, Logistics. In general, it's good for a secondary hero to have a specialty like +350 gold. You buy one, and it practically pays for itself in a week, and then it starts generating profit. 350 gold isn't much, but it's still money. And what if you have a couple of them? That's even better. Or Scouting is also good for a secondary hero.

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Ekselenets

1/12/2008 3:08 PM UTC

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I agree, for factions like Barbarian or Swamp, the Tactics skill can be very useful. Upgraded Hydras or Behemoths can be deployed to the enemy's location from the first turn, which can provide a significant advantage, for example, in a battle against a Castle or Dungeon.

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1/12/2008 4:12 PM UTC

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I agree, for factions like Barbarians or Swamp creatures, the Tactics skill can be quite useful. Upgraded Hydras or Behemoths can be deployed to the enemy's location from the first turn, which can provide a significant advantage, for example, in a battle against a Castle or Dungeon.

But if we consider the advantage of Tactics to be positioning closer to the enemy, I don't think it will make much difference, as you can't change the turn order of the units, and Hydras will still not go first.

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Ekselenets

1/12/2008 6:07 PM UTC

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I didn't randomly mention the Tower and Dungeon; I chose them as examples of two of the most "offensive" castles. If a hero is initially focused on attack, tactics can play a crucial role in achieving the main objective.

I've played against heroes with expert tactics several times, and it was disheartening to see hippogryphs reach the elves.

Рыцарь света

1/13/2008 5:25 AM UTC

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No. Look. I don't remember about the Titans, but Black Dragons definitely move faster than Ogres, so you should have gone first, which means you could have anticipated what the computer was going to do and attack the Archers, and you could have done something to prevent it. The computer is very predictable in this regard, and it will rush forward without thinking about the losses it will incur. When playing against a human, I don't think this tactic will be any more successful than simply positioning your troops on the battlefield in a way that is most convenient for you.

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AmberSoler

1/16/2008 12:15 PM UTC

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Well, if you consider it a plus in terms of tactics – being closer to the enemy – but I don’t think it will make a difference, as you can’t change the order in which the units act, and the Hydras will still not go first.

The goal is not to go first. The tactic allows you to reach the enemy in the first round – that’s its advantage. And if the bears or Hydras are positioned at the center of the field at the start, then you can’t escape them...

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Ley

1/16/2008 12:28 PM UTC

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or close the necessary units, and at the same time, ensure their correct positioning.

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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1/18/2008 5:15 AM UTC

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There's no point in trying to go first. The tactic allows you to reach the opponent in the first round – that's its advantage. And if bears or hydras are positioned at the start in the center of the field, you can't escape them...

As far as I remember, in Expert Tactics, the deployment area isn't half the field, although I might be wrong. But even in this case, it won't change the turn order; your troops will still be attacked first, and with the same effectiveness (since you're in the middle of the field), they can reach you and strike first. So, there's no point in that.

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