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It’s definitely possible. Although, the point about archers is true. However, around fifty centaurs already represent a considerable force. And you can also take Haggeesh.
100% I completely agree with you! Centaurs aren't weak archers at all! They deal significant damage! If you gather more than a hundred of them and take Haggeesh, many will face their doom! Centaurs are one of the best warriors at level 2!:rolleyes:
Perhaps it's due to the Blood Fury ability. You don't necessarily need to attack constantly; it's enough to move one tile in any direction.
You know that a pointless move means losing initiative. With other factions, you could simply wait. Blood Call certainly absorbs a lot of damage, but you still need to earn Blood Points. Especially at the beginning of the map, this leads to losses that I could have avoided by playing as a different faction. And losses at the beginning significantly slow down development!
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100% I completely agree with you! Centaurs aren't weak archers at all! They deal serious damage! If you gather more than a hundred of them and take Haggesh, many will face death! Centaurs at level 2 are one of the best warriors!:rolleyes:
And still, it's level 2, and you can't jump higher. Everyone's opinion depends on the role they assign to archers in battle.
Added after 2 minutes Please, explain what Haggesh is. I haven't encountered it. Maybe I have a different translation.
Loken
18 years ago
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Haggish is a heroine who specializes in knights. With her, it's also easy to clear out mines at the beginning.
a pointless move is losing initiative
but I wouldn't say so. Orcs rarely make pointless moves. Of course, I'm talking about... how was it called... in general, about the skill that adds 50 rage for each spirit activation. The one that's in leadership. You need to level it up always. You'll just run from one cell to another, and the spirit will activate, and the rage will accumulate. And if you also take empathy, and if the hero is Krag, and cast support on the knights, and level up the attack in every possible way... then it will be only slightly worse than archers. It will kill several dragons per attack. And the attacks will be very frequent. The only thing is that it's more difficult to implement than gathering fifty red archers.
Майор Вихрь
18 years ago
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Cheri@, it's not that difficult to earn points. First, focus on upgrading "Blood Memory" (without it, you'll suffer greater losses on the creep wave), and of course, try to build the structure that provides a rage bonus as early as possible. This partially solves the problem. Secondly, it's important to build and upgrade Centaurs in the first week. I only choose those that specialize in melee combat, because if they get into melee, they can definitely defend themselves. And personally, I actively use trappers. I divide them into 2-3 stacks and place traps on slow-moving neutral creatures. Even if they're not necessarily slow, it often helps. In this way, the creep wave is handled more or less successfully, and in the first week, you capture the wood and ore mines, and in the second week, the mercury mine. There are losses, but they are not significant in most cases.
Loken
18 years ago
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I almost agree, except that I'm not in a hurry to upgrade the Kentaur, but I am in a hurry to build Warmongers. There's nothing easier than putting 20 of them in the front and letting the foolish, treacherous enemy take a beating from the double attack;) They are strong enough to die in a maximum of a few units per battle, especially in defense. And defense doesn't remove 50 or 100 rage, I don't remember exactly, but only 30))) with a good spirit, you're almost always in the plus, even like that) Especially with Tilseck, the hero for Orcs, whom I play most often. With him, with a triple, fire ballista, and 30 Warmongers, I could take out everything alive on the map:) That's how I survive. And Warmongers with Kentaur and/or a ballista are enough for a long time; you can take out some level 5 units without any particular problems. And when you upgrade the ballista... That's why I often take machines for the Orcs to compensate for the hero's lack of nukes.
Haggesh is a heroine who specializes in Centaurs. She also makes it easy to clear out mines at the beginning of the game.
But I wouldn't say that. Orcs rarely make pointless moves. Of course, I'm talking about... how was it called... in general, about the skill that adds 50 rage for each spirit activation. The one in leadership. You always need to level it up. You'll just run from one tile to another, and the spirit will activate, and the rage will accumulate. And if you also take Empathy, and if the hero is Krag, and you cast Reinforcements on the Centaurs, and you upgrade the attack in every possible way... then it will be only slightly worse than archers. It will kill several dragons with each attack. And the attacks will be very frequent. It's just that it's more difficult to implement than to gather fifty red archers.
If it's a serious battle, while I'm accumulating points, I'll already take a significant amount of damage. And I haven't tried using Empathy, thanks for the advice.
Added after 11 minutes You can find an effective tactic in any race, and that's how it should be. I'm saying that I don't like the tactical capabilities of the Orcs and their skills.
Loken
18 years ago
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That's absolutely fair. After all, that's the whole point of this topic, isn't it?
...however, in a serious battle, you don't need to accumulate anything; everything will accumulate on its own. Besides, Orcs are the race that doesn't just stand there, blocking the archers "in a box," but runs up and dominates! Even a simple attack gives a lot of rage, believe me.
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Besides, just standing and defending the archers, waiting for the enemy to approach, is, in my opinion, a pointless move. Unless it's against neutral creatures, then it might be necessary.
absolutely fair. in the end, isn't that the point of the topic? ...however, in a serious battle, you don't need to accumulate anything, it will accumulate on its own. besides, orcs are the race that doesn't just stand there, blocking archers "in a box," but runs up and dominates)) even a simple attack gives a lot of rage, believe me)
Added 1 minute ago besides, just standing and defending archers, waiting for the enemy to approach, is, in my opinion, a pointless move. unless it's against neutrals:)
I agree. I understood all this while playing through the campaign as the Orcs. Archers can weaken the most dangerous unit, and then counterattack. Besides, I don't go into defense, I wait. For the Orcs, this costs 100 points. In general, in my opinion, I am comparing them with other races.
Dear fellow enthusiasts, could you please provide justification for your posts? Personally, I would like to see more specific arguments, as it seems like a competition for ratings.
