Posts from LMS, IMHO, is unnecessary!

And gentlemen, why is LMS needed??????? Explain it to me, because I'm too dumb to understand.

And gentlemen, WHY IS LZMС NEEDED???????!!!!!!!!!! Explain it to me, because I'm too dumb to understand.

That's where we should have started;);)... read the charter, but carefully;

ps, that's all for today... I don't understand at all why you hate LZMС so much?? Okay, maybe kj1313 and others (we'll have a separate conversation with them)... It's incomprehensible.

I've read all of that. The LZMС (League of Mapmakers) should have started with a DEFINITION: what is an inter-clan conflict?

Oh my god. Nobody reads my posts. I mentioned that it's NECESSARY to read the charter. Whoever wants to express their opinion should express it to the representatives, and they will push it... spreading this "people's power" (I do what I want) instead of "democracy" (what the majority decides, that's what it is). There are, oh my god, laws and rules, and they are not just for show. And there is no definition because an inter-clan conflict is, a priori, a conflict between clans that goes beyond diplomatic clashes (mutual insults or one clan offending another). This is my understanding of the problem. It seems to be correct, right?

I'm talking about something like this:

Resolutions of the League of Mapmakers and Strategists (LMMS) regarding clans that are not part of the LMMS are advisory in nature, but they can be grounds for a collective appeal from the LMMS to the ADMIN.

For example, I didn't agree with anything, I started some kind of conflict, and then BAM, half the forum started reporting me.
That's why I created this topic so that people could unite and not be alone in difficult times (referring to those who have not joined the LMMS).

Listen. I'm also new to the forum. And I still don't understand why you're stifling other people's ideas. As I understand it, the League of Shadow Clans is a confederation of clans. But why should it be just one? Some clans may disagree with its ideology and want to create their own confederation, so why hinder them? I don't think the League of Shadow Clans is perfect, at least because there are still disputes within it. They will have their own ideology, and some clans will be closer to it and want to join.
Just my opinion, not a clan opinion.

Funny, but I feel the beginning of the clan consolidation process... :) :) :)

I don't think that the League of Clans is ideal, if only because there are still ongoing debates about it.

Draco said it right... consolidation... I understood it in the sense of increasing... then the question arises... which has been raised many times in the "stay alive" thread... why do we need 25 short-lived Clans that will easily (and that's exactly what will happen) join not the League of Clans, but another league where there will be no control... where the rule "I do what I want" will apply (and that's exactly what will happen... I'm 99% sure of it... try to convince me otherwise).
By the way, I noticed that after I created the "stay alive" thread, first Archibald (let his ban be a lesson to him)... and then Nymizida and his entire Clan... began to sharply oppose everything (it feels like they are just afraid for their own... I don't know why... not much is required of them... appearing on the forum, participating in tournaments)... i.e., let there be a lot of Clans... let there be no rules... but then the question is - what is the point of Clans if there is no body capable of managing and controlling them...? This is what the League of Clans is. Yes, let this body not be perfect... but we can improve everything with common conclusions.

SoulDrinker, believe me, if you don't break the portal's rules, the ADMIN won't even look your way. And the LIMS (presumably League of Independent Mapmakers and Scenario creators) won't bother you either. You can even create a totalitarian regime within your own clan.
Brackman, the point isn't that there should be a different confederation. I'm not against it. The issue is that someone might interpret the opposition's proposal... as permission for popular sovereignty. Democracy is LIMS and the opposition. And POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY is what some are trying to create... (I won't name the clan. I'll just say that I call them "Nachtritters").
And debates are a sign of democracy.

I'm waiting for CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions.

I'll repeat: Explain WHY is the Inter-Clan Dispute Management System (ICDMS) needed?????? To resolve inter-clan conflicts?????? What is an inter-clan conflict????? WHY create a clan management body???? It turns out it's not an ICDMS, but some kind of mega-clan!!!! If someone violates the portal rules, then what are the moderators for??? If there are complaints, then create a topic in the inter-clan section called "Complaints" and set rules for using the topic, and that's it.

1) Explain WHY is the Inter-Clan Management System (ICMS) needed??????
2) To resolve inter-clan conflicts??????
3) What is an inter-clan conflict?????
4) WHY create a clan management body????
5) It turns out it's not an ICMS, but some kind of mega-clan!!!!
6) If someone violates the portal rules, then what are the moderators for????
7) If you want to complain, create a thread in the inter-clan section "Complaints" and set the rules for using the thread, and that's it.

answers
1) It's needed for point 2.
2) Yes.
3) An inter-clan conflict is exactly what's happening with the "Knights of the Apocalypse" clan right now (although they started it, not us), and there are other such conflicts too...
4) Because if there isn't such a body, everyone will be enemies with each other and will be rude, etc. But if such a body exists (it already exists - it's the ICMS... the question is that it's temporarily not working)... it will monitor that everything is within the rules, etc. There will be a system of "carrot and stick".
5) The ICMS is not a clan; it is a clan management body. And if you understand this as a clan after qwerty's statement about challenging all clans, including the ICMS and those who are not members, to a tournament, then you are mistaken. ;)
6) Moderators can't delete messages everywhere; coordinators have little time, and the admin has even less time... so we need power from the people, and moreover, a coordinated power of all representatives of all clans...
7) Oh, but we don't need that. There will be whining, both justified and unjustified, for any and no reason. Someone will try to discredit those they dislike (for example, kj1313 - I'm 300% sure he will write something about me, although it's all pointless... I won't explain why...).

;) I hope I answered your questions. ;)

I'll answer too:)
1) For 2)
2) YES.
3) Oh-oh-oh... and you couldn't be bothered to read my post above?:)
4) No, at least not with ghost control – and the administration will be forced to introduce "Dogmas of Submission" (go to TiGradCom, find the relevant topic, and read). Do you want dogmas?:)
5) LZMS is an organ of SELF-governance and democratization. If it deviates from this path, I will be the first to declare war on the false League.
6) The boss. If Chef violates Rule 1313, Hacker will reprimand him. And? "Hacker is the clan leader! This is aggression against..." the nachtritters! There are scoundrels who don't understand the general rules. And the moderators have plenty to do, believe me. I myself moderated for six months.
7) "Complaints"? And then clan A will flood this topic because, you see, clan B doesn't agree with their opinion. And clan C will say "And here we are" and go all out.
Once again, DEMOCRACY is not the same as POPULAR SOVEREIGNTY.
Democracy is the power of the people.
Popular sovereignty is anarchy.

And once again. WHAT IS BOTHERING YOU ABOUT LZMS?
Specifically, in a list, in writing. Then we'll have something to talk about.
Otherwise, you're sinking to the level of the nachtritters.

I'll answer too:)
6) If KaZhO1313 violates the rules, Hacker will reprimand him. And? "Hacker is the clan leader! This is aggression towards..." the haters! There are jerks who don't understand the general rules.

What is this, Tengro?
:smile22: :smile22: :smile22:

I suggest the following: 1. First, we need to persuade all the "nahthritters" to join the League of Zone Mapmakers (LZMS) so that there are no issues later. For this, LZMS should make concessions and reconcile those who are feuding (e.g., official apologies, etc.). 2. We need to review the charter (not change it, but review it). 3. In general, we shouldn't quarrel. That's all for now! P.S.: If peace is achieved thanks to LZMS, I believe that "Haven" and others will join it.

Vanechka, this reflects my attitude towards Night Riders.
I understand, it's harsh, but read kj1313.
SoulDrinker, what's up, are you letting someone else use your computer?:) Sometimes you write something hard to understand (IMHO), and sometimes you write incredibly smart things. For your last post: a big plus:).