Dragons of the world of Ashan. — General

DIMON137

19 years ago

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:confused: Why do the dwarves who live in the snow have a fire dragon? I think it should be an ice dragon. It would breathe ice and reduce the morale of enemies (like freezing them).

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Magnus

19 years ago

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DIMON137;53000

:confused: Why do the dwarves who live in the snow have a fire dragon???)

Because they live in volcanic craters. They are blacksmiths. Underground dwellers. And blacksmithing is associated with fire, hence Arcat.

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I think it should be an ice dragon. It would breathe ice and reduce the morale of enemies (like freezing).

Why, there is a "Lord of Cold" ability for the hero. To give a cold dragon the ability to freeze.

Erganor

18 years ago

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Actually, guys, for you, dragons of all kinds are messengers and heralds of the will of the Higher Powers. But for us, the underachievers, that is, veterans of Heroes 3, a dragon is just an awesome piece of meat, hiding a lot of calories, experience, and trouble when it blocks the way, and also a terrible miser, since it often prefers to die rather than part with a miserable artifact that it often guards. The character of dragons in Heroes 5 has not improved at all – the same aggressive nature and unwillingness to share their treasures with players. Could the Great Dragons who created them be the same? Then it's clear why Sar-Ilum preferred to become a dragon himself rather than worship the others.

Drnik

18 years ago

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I was quite satisfied with the dragons, although their breath attack is a bit weak (not very impressive). In Dungeon, I really liked the dragons, and the way they breathed fire... whoosh... However, I miss that feeling and those dragons.

Rogov

18 years ago

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Dragons are cool... but why not make higher-level creatures something other than dragons, like maybe a knight in platinum armor riding a flying horse? That would be awesome! Anyway, thanks for the info about dragons.

Erganor

18 years ago

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As I understand it, we're talking about a unit that is, in a way, the ultimate unit for all units. It MUST be a dragon. Why? Firstly, as you know, dragons have been significantly reduced in number in the fifth installment. This was achieved by limiting the number of factions that have dragons to just three. After all, in the game, "native" dragons are only present with the Dwarves, the Dark Elves, and their light-eared counterparts. Without a trace or hint of a return, the inhabitants of the third part have disappeared, such as the Rust, Azure (Blue), Crystalline, and rare Magic Dragons. Wyverns are not dragons, and what the Necromancer calls a dragon is just thoroughly gnawed remains. Moreover, it's strange that the Necromancers haven't died out yet, since, as stated in the unit descriptions in the game, the recipe for reviving a spectral dragon requires sacrificing the soul of a high-ranking Necromancer. A fleshless Necromancer is one thing, but without a soul, he can only aspire to the role of a zombie. Secondly: a dragon in all legends is the pinnacle of strength and power; all sorts of dark knights don't come close in terms of mass, so the appearance of a super-unit on two legs would mean the developers have lost their minds. And thirdly: victory over a dragon is the ultimate dream and achievement of knighthood. Remember, in the "Forgotten Realms" book series, victory over ONE dragon was considered a feat. And defeating a dozen mountain giants took up at most a page and a half, and was considered by both the author and the heroes as a minor skirmish.

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Rogov

18 years ago

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Erganor;136020

As I understand it, we're talking about a unit that is superior to all other units. It MUST be a dragon. Why? Firstly, as you know, the number of dragons in the fifth installment has been significantly reduced. This was achieved by limiting the number of factions that have dragons to three. After all, in the game, "native" dragons are only present with the Dwarves, Dark Elves, and their light-eared counterparts. Without a trace or hint of a return, the inhabitants of the third part, such as rusty, azure (blue), crystalline, and rare magical dragons, have disappeared. Wyverns are not dragons, and the "thing called a dragon" among the Necromancers is just thoroughly gnawed remains. Moreover, it's strange how the Necromancers haven't died out yet, since, as stated in the unit descriptions in the game, the recipe for reviving a spectral dragon requires sacrificing the soul of a high-ranking Necromancer. A fleshless Necromancer is still somewhat acceptable, but without a soul, he can only aspire to the role of a zombie. Secondly: a dragon in all legends is the pinnacle of strength and power; all sorts of dark knights don't measure up in terms of mass, so the appearance of a super-unit on two legs would mean the onset of a mental breakdown among the developers. And thirdly: victory over a dragon is the ultimate dream and achievement of knighthood. Remember, in the "Forgotten Realms" book series, victory over ONE dragon was considered a feat. And defeating a dozen mountain giants took at most a page and a half and was equated, both by the author and the heroes, to a minor skirmish.

Well, I agree, he said it well. And Biowulf has beaten your "great" dragon several times! And that's fine! And do you consider the Nazgûl from Lord of the Rings as dragons? Or are they also not worthy of this, like the Necromancer dragons? If they are worthy, then again, they were also humiliated by everyone, including griffins and bipedal people who are not worthy of being a super-unit!

Erganor

18 years ago

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Nazgûl are not dragons. And they fly on wyverns (or at least, something similar). As for how Beowulf dealt with the dragon, you should ask Beowulf himself. By the way, where is he?

Хранитель заката

18 years ago

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Why not make the ultimate unit a dragonphoenix, which would be stronger than all other units?

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Rogov

18 years ago

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Erganor;137158

Nazgûl are not dragons. And they fly on wyverns (or at least, something similar). As for how Beowulf defeated the dragon, you should ask Beowulf himself. By the way, where is he?

You can read about how Beowulf defeated the dragon in the book. But you won't be able to ask him, because, according to the book, he died long before we were born, unfortunately.

Erganor

18 years ago

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What kind of book is this? I hope it's a magical one? Because, as a devoted fan of destructive spells, I don't want to use anything else. And does it definitely say that the hero easily defeated the dragon? Or was there a tough battle first, with magic and buffs in the form of enchanted weapons and armor? In this kind of feat, it's also essential that the hero's companions perish in the fight against the dragon, sacrificing themselves at a critical moment. If the dragon breathes fire, it's usually literal. In the world of Ashan, the idea of heroes fighting dragons doesn't work, because here, dragons are noble messengers of the Higher Powers. Something similar is observed in Chinese tradition, where the dragon is a useful and sacred creature. Like the cruel European dragons, Chinese dragons are fierce when angered, but unlike them, they are just, cunning but not treacherous, in contrast to the dragons of Europe. "Europeans" are greedy for gold and other valuables, while "Asians" often make generous gifts to people. So, I think I should admit that I was wrong. Since the dragon in Heroes of Might and Magic 5 is a sacred creature, the superunit should be something other than a dragon. The only question is, what?

Loken

18 years ago

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There's a book called "Beowulf." So, the joke isn't funny. Why shouldn't a dragon be an Uber? An angel is also a sacred being, and it's considered an Uber as well. That's how it is. In general, there should be more originality and fewer clichés. Dragons, even though there are fewer of them, are already in a fixed place. It's the same dragon, just in different colors... I'm tired of it.

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And by the way, Chinese dragons are cool. They're interesting. I don't know why many people don't like Chinese or Japanese culture; maybe it's all stereotypes.

Erganor

18 years ago

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Angels are also servants of the gods. In reality, such powerful creatures shouldn't be defeated, as the gods would intervene on their behalf. A super-unit should either be a demon or some kind of powerful neutral creature, because if it's connected to higher powers, no sane hero would dare attack it, lest they anger the deity. You might ask, why then do we regularly beat up emerald, black, and lava dragons in the game? Well, these creatures belong to certain races. Each race worships its own deity, so defeating others is a sacred act. For example, the Elves, by killing lava and emerald dragons, are essentially taking revenge on their eternal enemies – the Dwarves and their light-skinned brethren. If you have to kill a Dark Dragon, that's okay. If it's a servant of Malassa, it should join us. If it attacks, it's a heretic. A super-unit should be the strongest and not belong to any race. That is, if it's favored by a deity, it should be the most powerful one, not needing worshippers. For example, Asura or someone even more powerful. And angering Asura is a fate worse than death.

Shevriel

18 years ago

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I just read Nick Perumov's book, "Tern." It had something similar to the Great Dragons, but with different creatures of the same colors. However, there weren't enough of those creatures, so they invented new ones and started worshipping them, and through the power of magic, they became... Wouldn't that be a good reason for an expansion – a new race, with a new (or rather, a super-new) patron – not necessarily a dragon, who, pursuing its own goals, tries to take control.