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The Fall from Grace

Maps: Tribes of the East
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Title: "Грехопадение"
Name: FreydaFall
Size: 136x136
Type: scenario
Faction: Haven
Map author: Rommy
Scenario description: The rebel troops on the border with Irollan have been defeated. Having suppressed the border unrest, Freyda hoped for a respite. However, from the very heart of the Griffin Empire, the city of Claw, comes alarming news.
My first scenario.
I deliberately made a difficult scenario, but one that is passable. So be prepared for many failures and replays.
A harder version has been added, all battles have been strengthened, new battles have been added, new cutscenes have been added, and an entirely different ending. Play at your own risk, you have been warned. Each version of the scenario has a different ending.
The cutscenes were made for 1920x1080 resolution, so I recommend downloading this mod which removes black bars in cutscenes.
The map contains no mods, does not alter campaigns/other maps, so you can keep it indefinitely.
Installation: drop the H5M file into the Maps folder.

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I didn't test the scenario because I couldn same pass the beginning; it might be possible, but only by the skin of one's teeth
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Ran through the entire map with @Finish(0); the map feels less like a scenario and more like a challenge, which I hadn't seen before. One thing that could be fixed: in the battle against Godric, if red griffins are in the air when demons arrive, the griffins stay on the demons' side. Overall, it's quite interesting
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ran across the entire map with @Finish(0); the map feels less like a scenario and more like a challenge, which I haven't seen before. One thing that could be fixed is that in the battle against Godric, if red griffins are in the air when demons arrive, the griffins remain on the demons' side; overall, it's quite interesting
Thank you for the feedback. It' same a shame you finished it that way; essentially, you skipped the whole map. Regarding the griffins, well, that's game mechanics—when they fly up, they disappear from the field and the switch doesn't work on them. I'm not sure if it's possible to disable flying in battle.
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"The map is beatable"....Can you upload the video?......if it involves splitting into single units.....don't upload it, the map goes in the trash!
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"The map is beatable"....Can you upload a video?......if it's splitting into single units.....don't bother uploading, the map goes in the trash!
I replayed it yesterday and only lost 2 times out of all battles. Or was I supposed to make it beatable via autobattle?
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I replayed it yesterday and only lost 2 times out of all the battles. Or was I supposed to make it beatable via autobattle?
I'll say it again..... either you know how to complete it, but don't know how to record a Walkthrough video?
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I can still understand the need for videos for maps where you don't know what to expect from opponents and need a basis on how to prepare—as was the case, for example, in the relatively recent map "The Sovereign is More Alive than Dead"—but I don't understand why one would upload a video Walkthrough of this particular map, which is entirely based on fixed battles where the AI will not act identically, and therefore it will be impossible to perfectly replicate the tactics from the video itself. I can only assume that some people are simply too lazy to think and try replaying the battles a couple of times.

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Author, could you please post a walkthrough of the map on YouTube? I decided to try the map again and I was staring at the battles like a deer in headlights. Alternatively, you could fix the difficulties; I don't want to be rolling for a miracle like in the Raven's Despair scenario
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Oh, this forum hospitality. You see, the author is a slave; entry into the world of map-making is only through fisting for 300 bucks. We take everything very seriously here—only whips, gags, and total humiliation. Welcome to the club buddy!
Карты для героев 5

"Плата за любовь"
"Путь некроманта"
"Темные грани"
"Рок Гримхейма"
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Let me repeat... or are you capable of completing it, but just can't record a walkthrough video?
The map is already in the same old trash pile; there's no point recording anything for it.
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Author, could you please post a Walkthrough of the map on YouTube? I decided to try the map again and I was staring at the battles like a deer in headlights. Alternatively, you could fix the difficulty; I don't want to roll for a miracle like in the Raven's Despair scenario
If I nerf it, that' same as removing the challenge immediately; the AI won't stand a chance. I added saves, so you can practice there indefinitely. I believe the difficulty turned out balanced, and both the AI and the player have chances to win. But then again, there are many factors: luck/the AI played very well/resists/mistakes and bad moves. I am not a strong player, and my map shouldn't be super difficult either. For example, I haven't completed a single scenario by Redheavenhero; I tried The Veil Hides about 8 times with different tactics, strategies, and builds, and still couldn't do it no matter what. Now that is where I think the AI is some kind of insanely over-buffed.
Would I post a map that I can't even complete myself?
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Completed this scenario... No. For the first time since I registered on the forum, I am writing that I played a scenario with a Hero and did NOT complete it.

The gameplay of the scenario consists of sequentially winning battles with preset troops and hero skills. I won 7 battles and stopped at the fight against Zehir. The battles are difficult for me. The most challenging of the seven was precisely the seventh, against Eliah. Here is how it went: I tried different tactics 10 times and constantly lost, but on the 11th... I played the start of the battle very carelessly, but then luck triggered often and at the right time, and so I won, even with many troops remaining.

Regarding the battle with Zehir... I had an idea to play using an evasion bug, but they kill too quickly; luck often triggers for the enemy units. I am posting replays of all the battles I managed to win and the save file before the battle with Zehir. I suggest the author try to win this fight specifically from my save—that is, with the combat RNG that I encountered. If I see a victory, then I will admit that this scenario is indeed an outstanding piece of work, and the battle with Zehir is a tactical challenge in Heroes 5, the most difficult of all those I have encountered, yet very beautiful.

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Completed this scenario... No. For the first time since I registered on the forum, I am writing that I played a scenario with a Hero and DID NOT complete it.

The gameplay of the scenario consists of sequentially winning battles with preset troops and hero skills. I won 7 battles, but stopped at the fight against Zehir. The battles are difficult for me. The most challenging of the seven was indeed the seventh, against Elaiya. Here is how it went: I tried different tactics 10 times and constantly lost, but on the 11th... I played the start of the battle very carelessly, but then luck kicked in often and at the right time, so I won, even leaving many troops remaining.

Regarding the battle with Zehir... I had an idea to play using an evasion bug, but they kill too quickly; luck often triggers for the enemy units. I am uploading replays of all the battles I managed to win and a save file before the battle with Zehir. I suggest the author try to win this fight specifically from my save—that is, with the same combat RNG that I encountered. If I see a victory, then I will admit that this scenario is indeed an outstanding piece of work, and the battle with Zehir is a tactical challenge in Heroes 5, the most difficult of all I have encountered, yet very beautiful.

Done. Wow, I agree the start isn't easy; I passed it on my 2nd try. The first time, I reloaded immediately after losing my archers and horses; perhaps I shouldn't have, maybe I could have won. During testing, there were even harder battles. I even cleared all the elementals just for fun.
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Completed this scenario... No. For the first time since registering on the forum, I am writing that I played a scenario with a Hero and did NOT complete it.

The gameplay of the scenario consists of sequentially winning battles with preset troops and hero skills. I won 7 battles, but stopped at the fight against Zehir. The battles are difficult for me. The most challenging of the seven was indeed the seventh, against Elaiya. Here is how it went: I tried different tactics 10 times and constantly lost, but on the 11th... I played the start of the battle very carelessly, but then luck triggered often and at the right time, so I won, even leaving many troops remaining.

Regarding the battle with Zehir... I had an idea to play using an evasion bug, but they kill too quickly; luck often triggers for the enemy units. I am uploading replays of all the battles I managed to win and a save before the battle with Zehir. I suggest the author try to win this fight specifically from my save—that is, with the same combat RNG that I encountered. If I see a victory, then I will admit that this scenario is indeed an outstanding piece of work, and the battle with Zehir is a tactical puzzle for Heroes 5, the most difficult of all I have encountered, yet very beautiful.

Enjoyed the pain replays. Thank you for the detailed feedback + thank you for the replays. I hope you can finish it, as there is very little left!
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Done. Yeah, I agree the start is tough; it took me 2 tries to pass. The first time, I reloaded as soon as I lost my archers and horses—maybe I shouldn't have, maybe I could have won. During tests, there were even harder battles. I even cleared all the elementals just for fun.
I watched the replay; yes, it is a victory. I understand now where my mistake was and how to play correctly. Now I think that against Eliah there was most likely a tactic to win quickly and without luck. The balance is correct, and you have proven this. But based on player comments, it's already clear that for most, this map will be a test of tactics: "how many battles can you actually win."

In ordinary scenarios, authors may create invincible enemies (for the moment they appear), but the player has the opportunity to come up with something on the strategic map: distract the enemy hero to better prepare for battle, force them to attack a Castle, or defeat them over several engagements. MasteR's maps, for example, are balanced specifically for this kind of gameplay. But here, all battles must be won immediately "as is," and that makes the scenario very difficult.

To sum up, the scenario is unusual and interesting in that it forces you to think about tactics in difficult battles; there are also many videos. And even having lost, I can say...
Thank you very much for the map!

Rommy
For example, I haven't completed a single scenario by Redheavenhero; I tried "The Veil Falls" about 8 times with different tactics, strategies, and builds, and still couldn't do it. In that case, I believe the AI is some kind of insanely over-buffed.
That surprises me. I passed the "The Veil Falls" scenario on Hero the first time; I described the Walkthrough in detail in the map thread. I remember there was bad RNG in the guilds and resurrection at the end of the game, and no vampirism at all. But even so, I never considered that map to be very difficult; I've won scenarios on Hero that are much harder.
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