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In short: "salary level is determined based on the interview results."

Thank you. I "had fun" to my heart's content...

You're welcome, anytime.

Go ahead! I'm all ears. So what do we have.
1. Erika got insulted by some jerk.
2. She didn't attack him, just "responded." Not even with insults.
3. Neither her shield, nor her dodges, nor her armor helped her.

I can imagine initiative 50, double attacks, and other crap. But how do you take down 200+ HP with a talisman and armor that cuts damage by a third? And there wasn't even a real fight.
Go on, gentlemen. I'm listening... What was that?

A typical GM character. Yeah, I also think Revan ignores the RNG when he needs to. Or those are just insane numbers, with a 1 in 100k chance to counter them. I think I've written something like this before. Personally, I believe making characters like that, who either kill a player character for any wrong word or seriously ruin the game — is bad and wrong. But it's not my expedition, it's Revan's, and he does whatever he wants in it. You can play up to that point and then drop it. I don't believe you didn't enjoy playing, Ящур. Otherwise you wouldn't have written so many posts.    

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And what's the parachute for, then? In case you have to fly somewhere and then fall from a great height... I'd also look for a lava-proof case... volcanoes are still a thing. And definitely some ointment against tropical killer mosquitoes! Not to mention a universal antidote for any fruit. First invent that, and only then leave the house! 

Well, you said that as a joke, but all previous expeditions motivate you to prepare exactly like that — not for some super-mega battle of the main plot, but for a conversation with a random goblin. 

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died for something that never existed

😈

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And if you listen to the one with a diploma in expeditions, it turns out that roleplay and character actions don't matter — if the GM likes the player's nickname, everything will be great for them, and if not, then no.

Rather, if he likes the character, not the nickname 👀

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I was given a lecture on why Revan's expeditions are about hardcore and about being ready for your character to be anally punished at any moment for the slightest mistake.

Not for a mistake, but for absolutely any action. But I think we warned about that, or did I warn Astral after his first time 🤔 I'm already confused. 

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That's what should have been said a year ago when I asked what the game was about. Instead of feeding me that "gorgeous RNG" stuff...
When I signed up, I hoped to "walk past" all those "gambling bits," but I didn't think they'd stop me from playing the way I want. And that "want" isn't about "becoming stronger than everyone" or whatever, but "making the most of what the setting offers." Instead I got "Want your monocle back? Here's a month of imprisonment and stat penalties. Want a bag? Here, have a bare ass." Plus it turns out NPCs here aren't "on equal footing with player characters" but on a "special account." No, that won't do...

I think I warned you, I honestly don't remember, damn IRL, I'm losing it... 

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I'd have continued playing until the next Loyd myself, if not for IRL 😞

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Anyway, Ящур, you should have started earlier. You'd have gotten to play in my expeditions. I have a different approach. A random merchant probably wouldn't have killed you. But a random goblin would have stolen Erika's panties with a 99.9 percent probability  

Well, at least you'll have underwear in the setting, unlike Astral.

Why can't you give more than one upvote per post, Nebok says...

Not for a mistake, but for absolutely any action. But I think we warned about this, or I warned Astral after his first time 🤔 I'm already confused.

If this action led to a harsh BDSM session from the GM, then from his point of view, you made a critical mistake 😅

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And in general, Yaschur, you should have started earlier. You would have had time to play in my scenarios. I have a different approach. A random merchant probably wouldn't have killed you. But a random goblin would have stolen Erika's panties with a 99.9 percent probability

And then he would have invited his goblin buddies, and the whole gang would have stolen honor where it still existed, and where it seemed that it shouldn't be looked for.

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In fairness, when escaping from the goblin camp, Erika would, in this case, with a high probability, find the bag she was looking for. Or at least the material that could be taken to a craftsman who deals with such things.

I don't know, in the latest expansion of Heroes, I played as a completely unattractive and unsexy girl, moreover, according to the lore, she is not interested in men at all (or women either). And no one was going to steal my pants; I had enough activities not related to lewdness, so overall, the game was enjoyable.

I also played as a healer-incel, and there were no unwanted advances there either. You need an attractive girl for advances; otherwise, it won't work.

And I played a healer-incel, which was the most cringe character I ever created in the game.

Well, it wasn't *that* crucial, considering there were so many options, I just didn't want to use them.

For you, it might be "so many options," but for me, it's just trolling and mockery. Someone even wrote to me on the forum: "Revan is just messing with you." But I still decided to "play it out to the end," and then it was "either the bag, or you all can go to hell..." I was also considering taking the item from that guy for 200, but if it turned out he was giving me garbage, it would all end with a "robbery" and me deleting my character for any negative consequences. Because, as I said, I won't play under the condition that "the GM does whatever he wants, and it's your job to 'swallow' it and ask for more."

Getting something for free or not is a matter of role-playing and whether the hero ended up in the right area. Revan's argument: "the master wanted to create a super-sword, but didn't want to deal with something unclear that was clearly outside his area of expertise" is quite reasonable.

I agree. But here's the thing... Erika was conceived based on 3 main principles:
1. Sorceress.
2. Loves to read.
3. Innocent and unharmed. No "romantic relationships" until the "training process" is complete. I didn't really have a clear idea of what the "training process" would be like, but now I can say that it was somewhere around the level of a mage, or at worst, a "specialist."

But after "certain events," point 3 transformed into "die a virgin..."

Regarding point 1, I could have taken a Lunar character, but the thing is, they have enhanced beauty, which could lead to certain problems regarding point 3. But as it turned out, I was wrong... Hello, Kamistella and Insho. In general, I was ready to "fight the randomness" for a couple of in-game weeks.
Regarding point 2, there weren't any problems, it seems, but for some reason, certain printed materials started requiring "OS" (presumably operating systems), which caused some problems, but not critically, since the ability to read other printed materials remained.
Point 3 is a separate conversation...

So, what do we have.
Alex got free gear worth 100+ and another 200 on top. And a lot of experience.
Loken got a katana (yes, the "piece of iron" cost 500, but the rest was free), a skill in unarmed combat, and money from the pirate. Yes, the "money" later backfired on him. So what? Was he hanged in the square? No. Was he "called to account" in the guild? No. He just sat in the pit along with me, and even lost fewer stats.
You'll say, "Sir Tann didn't allow him to be killed"? Well, why didn't he find himself in the middle of the desert with his ass bare, like Erika?
The Hero also got money for free and free transportation. Yes, transportation is now free for everyone, but that doesn't fundamentally change anything.
Astral got a mansion and a lot of money...

And so, what did Erika get... A so-so sword and 50 for the entire game. Oh yeah, and 250 for the house that was eaten by mushrooms...
Okay, I accept that the master had some "personal interest" in the katana. But who here could appreciate "Erika's careful attitude towards books" and give her a bag for free? No one! Not even the head of the quill and ink guild...

Alex got gear for what? Loken got unarmed combat for what? Astral got a mansion and money for what? For being "thugs" and rich in the quest? Well, Erika's entire lineage is in magic... So? Where is her talent on the very first day, and a mage position, huh??? Yes, she eventually got the talent from the knight. But here's what I'll tell you... It would have been better if the knight had given her a unique skill called "withering of pods." Explain what that means, or will you figure it out yourself?

In short, my character "didn't fit into the world." So what am I doing there?

Typical GM character.

Well, thank you. Now I know for sure that there's no point in continuing, because the "quest" "Revenge on Jingo" is basically impossible, and I'm not going to "swallow" what happened.

Not for a mistake, but for absolutely any action. But I think we warned about that, or did I warn Astral after his first time 🤔 I'm already confused.

I wasn't told anything. Astral was. But I only found out about that recently, when I read half the forum. I was even lied to when I asked, "can GM characters be killed?" They said, "you can kill them if it's not some kind of king." Although, no, someone did tell the truth:

🐱🐲: GM characters can only be killed if the GM allows it. Otherwise, they will either be invulnerable, or you can kill them, but it will be your own fault...

Now I see that the posts on the forum about "honest and fair Revan" are also the truth, and not just "subjective perception"...

And in general, Yaschur, you should have started earlier. You would have had time to play in my campaigns. I have a different approach. A random merchant probably wouldn't have killed you. But a random goblin would have stolen Erika's panties with a 99.9% probability

I don't know what you mean by "stealing panties," but that would probably also have led to self-deletion. No, I won't go to your campaigns again, thanks...

By the way, regarding the stealing of panties... If they had been stolen then, I certainly wouldn't have killed Loken's character on the first encounter, as some people thought. But if I met another jerk like the one in the university, he would, yes, "go to the afterlife," if "telling him to go to hell" didn't help. And it wouldn't matter if it was an NPC or someone from the players decided to "troll Yaschur." My further participation would depend on the "success" of the above action and its consequences...

In AA, for months I listened to complaints about how "Calcite has the most boring content of all the expansions," how it's not fun there, how I'm unfairly favoring Loken (and it doesn't matter that he got all the "good stuff" through excellent roleplaying and attention to NPCs), how my NPCs are somehow "wrong" and how I'm unfairly "not giving enough rewards," plus I was told that the principles I use to run the expansions are ***, that I'm a jerk, and I was told to go f*** myself twice.
In Sakuramoria, I heard complaints about how unfairly Futyabe gets cool gifts, and of course, it doesn't matter that this was due to the plot.
In Serberia, I listened to hysterics about a missed event with abilities that the players skipped, plus I heard about how the GM's female character is a terrible person for stealing the players' spotlight, even though she wasn't making any decisions and was basically just existing. The GM allowed herself to roleplay the character, what a scumbag.
Lungvort didn't start well – "nerf the ability, GM" – I'm told, and I reply that I won't. This answer turns out to be insufficient, and a debate ensues for hours about how this ability still needs to be nerfed. Later, I realized that I had overdone it with the starting quest, and to save the situation, I decided to spawn an NPC to help – and again, I heard a lot of negativity.

And so it is every time. Now, even with player immortality and everything, the GM is still favoring someone, deliberately ruining things for someone else, he's doing a bad job, but another GM is having fun, that's bad, it's stupid, you shouldn't do that, etc., etc. Everyone, of course, has the right to their opinion, but sometimes it's better to keep it to themselves, especially if it's speculation (and even more so, don't try to pass it off as fact).
I've had cases where I really wanted to roleplay a certain character, I put effort into the quest and everything, and after a week or two, the expansion was closed. And now what? Should I bash the GM for baiting and dropping? No, it's just bad luck – nothing can be done about it. But it turns out that baiting and dropping is normal, but running an expansion that isn't "perfect" (so that everyone has the same stats and gear, so that NPCs treat everyone the same regardless of roleplaying, etc.) is not. This means that you're a jerk and you need to be harassed, because there's no other way to describe it, since there's no constructiveness in these comments. Especially if you're just sitting on the sidelines, eating popcorn, and just stirring the pot for fun.

I see something like Asmidul's diary, and reading it brings a smile because of how cool the text is and the realization of how much this character has become a part of the world I created, not to mention the colossal effort that was put into it. And here's what's interesting – even if you take away all his stats and gear, or even kill him, the charm of this character won't disappear, because the life he lived and the actions he took are interesting in themselves. I encounter something unexpected for myself, and that's also very cool. For example, few people know that I didn't plan on having a war with Calcite (in Barsina, I just had to sail there on a ship). Success in the quest guaranteed Calcite's help in the war against the undead, and failure didn't have major consequences for the plot, and yet, the players' actions smoothly created a completely different storyline. Both examples are what motivates me to run expansions. Counting battles (and especially failing due to your own inattention) or listening to complaints as if you were a video game developer on a crowdfunding platform is the opposite – but the first, unlike the second, is inevitable.

The artists' popular saying, "I'm the author, I see it this way," is quite applicable here.



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Yashur, it all boils down to roleplaying and actions. Astral is a good example. In the past, he did all sorts of crazy things that even forced me to introduce an artificial limit on the number of characters that one player can create. In this one, his character is much "more successful." What has changed in the meantime? Maybe we've become very close friends, or maybe he secretly donated and I decided to favor him, right? Or maybe it's all explained by the fact that this time he played his character wonderfully, made the right connections, and so on?

Okay, I'll explain the quest for the waterproof case ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐. This will be the last thing I ever explain – practice shows that it's a completely pointless exercise.

You wondered about the existence of a waterproof bag for books and scrolls. I hadn't thought about such an item, but I had to decide – could it exist or not? I decided that yes, someone like a traveling journalist who works in different weather conditions could have one. That is, this item is specialized and not just a can, so I categorized it as an "elite" item and set the cost at 100 rem. An NPC from the journalists' guild offered it to you for 500. Why? Because he doesn't need it, your character is nobody to him, and there's no reason for him to give it away cheaper or for free. If you want it, pay for it, if you don't, then don't. Adventurers, as I decided, could also have such a bag, but the leader of this guild has a bad temper (which everyone already knew at that point), so I roleplayed it that way (but before giving the bag, he planned to ask them to come up with some nasty things about Naria or Akonia as additional payment, but I don't remember for sure anymore). Well, the third one is a custom order, so the price is higher than the market price. There was no trickery, the craftsman takes the order + money and then starts working on it. His reputation is at stake, but again, it's your choice whether to agree or not. But since your reliable sources in the database told you that the GM decided to mess with you, then, of course, that's probably what happened, and he just enjoys trolling (and then cooling his own ass instead of continuing to run the expansion).

"The GM does what he wants, and your job is to 'swallow' it and ask for more."

That's how any non-computer role-playing game works. Except that in a live game, you can jump out of your chair and punch the GM in the face, but that's unlikely to improve anyone's mood.

I agree. But here's the thing... Ericka was conceived based on 3 main principles:

You have to suffer for principles, what can you say. How many meme paladins have we had who died because they couldn't back down, self-assuredly aggressive Tsukiks who, on the contrary, drowned out other players and proud people who didn't want to kiss boots, and what? Nothing, the stories turned out to be fun, they raised the dynamics of the game, and the memes were recorded in the library.

So, what do we have.

Randomness. In Airisufire, we were let off easy for that, but someone like Ericka would be on easy street. In the next one, only Skryms will get easy drops, etc. Obsessing over numbers is a dead end: either you'll ruin your role-playing, or you'll be chronically frustrated by every setback. And in general, envy is a deadly sin.

In short, my character "didn't fit into the world." So what am I doing there?

Creating a new one? Nebok is making Nisha for the umpteenth time and, after all the beatings, he doesn't lose hope. And if you create different characters, the chances of success generally tend towards one hundred. You can even start with a meme origin with severe penalties, lose all characters except one, side with an unpopular GM faction, and win.

In AA...

Yeah, right... A couple of people complained, and that's it. Emotions are running high, we're more worried about the characters than about ourselves.
That's the whole point.

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In Cerberia, I listened to the hysteria about one missed event with abilities for the players and listened to how the GM's character was a bitch for stealing the players' spotlight, even though she wasn't making any decisions and was basically just existing. The GM allowed himself to role-play a character, what a scoundrel.

She was really annoying, but not because of the numbers. Feel like an actor who played a nasty villain so well that now he's being hated in real life - essentially, you can't praise the role-playing any more.

I think everyone here has formed their own opinion over the years, which they will consider the only correct one, and no amount of rehashing it will change it or convince anyone else.

I would like to see less hate, both open and hidden, and also to avoid misleading newcomers and undermining the game by throwing fuel on the fire with our own biased opinions. It seems that similar practices were already used in the old community.

Yashchur should also understand that he can discuss the situation and ask for the opinions of all participants, but only with the moderator will a constructive dialogue be possible, because only they are the direct participants in the incident. This dialogue may end with a harsh rejection, but at least it will be an objective answer. It is very easy to get worked up by other people's comments due to past frustration, and I do this every expedition with Shabeta as an expert.

People are not monolithic; moods, situations, events, and circumstances vary. Even if the moderator and players are the same, it is impossible to combine all games and give them a definitive conclusion. There are times when players make bad decisions, times when moderators make bad decisions, there are difficult games, there are easy games, sometimes luck is on your side, and sometimes it isn't. That's the beauty of these things. And you can endlessly replay the same template in the game without all this.

Fruit-and-cabbage jabbering is a good thing when it's new and exciting, or when it's remembered as a local meme. But a reactor that has been smoldering for years no longer brings anything interesting or positive to anyone.

Move on.

And honestly, why is everyone so on edge? Maybe go to war or have a beer. They cry every time after unlocking something, as if it's the first and last time they're playing, and then they leave, and the game ends, but they could have, to the delight of everyone, succeeded ten times in other matches, or even in this one, if they had just pulled themselves together and brushed themselves off.
If I donate for sake, will I get a mansion?

I think that Revan's campaigns boil down to the fact that it's a kind of Dark Souls with all possible "You Died" scenarios. They are really more complex and require a certain level of preparation. And unscrupulous rogues have a better chance of success than righteous paladins. But even with a chance, you can get into trouble in any unclear situation. So, when starting the game and developing the character, you need to be prepared in advance for the fact that you are unlikely to be treated kindly. And this applies to both experienced and inexperienced players.
At the same time, all his worlds are always detailed down to the smallest details (this does not mean that other GMs have something bad; I played with Nebk, it's lighter there, but everything is still well-written and clear). And if the player's character is able to fit into the internal rules of the game universe, then even then, no one guarantees that his fate will turn out perfectly. Although the chances of success will certainly be higher than if the character is an isekai character in the world and behaves as randomly as possible.

Fights with the GM's characters can end both well and badly. Friendly duel. Press F.

In fact, both Yaschur and Revan are right in their own way. All of Revan's arguments are clear, and at the stage of "pay 500 coins and you will definitely get the item," it is obvious that it was not trolling. Plus, Revan explained in more detail that there were options, but they were not easy. And yes, it is logical that unfamiliar random players may be refused their requests by merchants and masters.
I can still understand Yaschur. The first character, he put his soul into it, worked out everything, wrote down the principles and followed them, even if they did not match the current world in some ways. This is good because he developed the personality, got into it, and remained it until the very end. Even if it cost him a beating with a complete loss of items, many really ended up dying. I'm very sorry that because of an unsuccessful experience, he formed the opinion that there are "favorites" among the players in campaigns, and now he doesn't even want to try anymore. Although Revan does have some additional sympathy for well-written characters with cool roleplaying, as he himself said almost directly. But I don't think that's so bad. Worthy roleplaying is always a response to the GM's work.

I assure you, you can trust me with an unlimited number of characters.

Nebok keeps creating Niche over and over again, and despite all the criticism, he doesn't lose hope.

I thought he created it for them every time... and Astral took an example from him, but with a different approach.