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"We're the veterans, and you're rebuilding the Capitol in the first week – what a bunch of noobs."

It can't be built in the first week anyway. :)

But seriously, you shouldn't say that someone is being arrogant. What exactly is my "arrogance," for example?
Yes, I mentioned a low level of knowledge. But what I wrote reflected that (Heroes 3/tactics). I communicate effectively in the tactics section, answering and asking questions. If that also looks like "arrogance," then I apologize; we have different understandings of the word.

Guys, please stop arguing... Forrest, I assure you... if players do something, they do it for a reason, and that means there's a need for it (I'm talking about the Capitol););) and besides, why are you picking on it?

Let's think about organizing a tournament instead;);)

I read the thread on heroes.by – well… there’s a lot of unflattering stuff about us. I was initially going to get offended. But then, the voices of reasonable people started to emerge. Like Yegor (thanks ;) ). I understand the emotions on both sides. However, I still suggest cooperation. Don’t get mad at each other. We should just discuss the AREAS in which we CAN cooperate. I think it’s not everywhere, but nothing prevents players from heroes.by from actually creating a section or thread here with US, and we can also try to organize a joint tournament. Let’s start with our territory and our conditions – you’ve already proven that you’re not afraid of unfamiliar surroundings ;) So maybe we can prove something to each other.

P.S. And one more thing – I’m asking for the last time, please DON’T JUDGE the SKILL LEVEL of the PLAYERS based on comments in the “tactics” thread. Usually, green newbies go to these threads and express their opinions. More experienced players participate in tournaments. You can find their tactics and descriptions of their games there. Let’s learn to read ;) And let’s not jump to conclusions. This is my advice ;)

P.S. And one more thing - I'm asking you one last time NOT TO JUDGE THE SKILL LEVEL OF PLAYERS based on comments in the "tactics" thread. Usually, green newbies come and express their opinions in these threads...

Let's learn to read ;)

Well, since you, as a lady, are teaching me to read, then read what I wrote.
I said about the "low level of knowledge..." of those who were writing there (which is a fact).
And you are trying to attribute to me fabrications about the "low level of players."
You can only judge PLAYERS by playing with them. And you can judge KNOWLEDGE by the answers to questions. That's what I was trying to do.

Well, since you're teaching a lady to read, then read what I wrote.
I was talking about the "low level of knowledge" of those who wrote there (which is a fact).
And you're trying to attribute to me some made-up things about the "low level of players."
You can only judge PLAYERS by playing with them. And you can judge KNOWLEDGE by the answers to questions. That's what I tried to do.

I'm not a lady :) Although, thank you for that compliment. :)
But I'll still answer - I'm not picking on words. And maybe not specifically yours. It's just that in all the posts (including on your forum), there was this kind of undertone. Like they're all noobs, and they don't have any knowledge at all. Ha-ha-ha. I agree - it was only some individuals who expressed this... but it left a bad impression. :( You understand. I, with all due respect, really love this forum. With all the consequences that entails.

P.S. I'm actually trying to smooth things over - not stir up a quarrel ;) Guys - let's live in peace!

I don't think a tournament between our resources on SoD will achieve anything. There's no point in proving who is stronger and which resource is better. I want to emphasize that all requests from our players are directed to those who want to play at a decent level online, and nothing more. Yes, I agree, you could say – who are you to tell us what a decent level is? Simply put, SoD isn't ready to provide all the possibilities of the game, at a basic software level. Right now, I'm not even talking about the skill and level of the players, just the program itself (our favorite game) and what can be extracted from it. Everyone started with SoD, so just answer me this simple question – "Why did we switch to TE if it's not better than SoD?" (we also have a significant number of players).

I think a tournament between our resources on SoD won't give us absolutely anything. Because there's no point in proving who is stronger and which resource is better. I want to emphasize that all requests from our players are addressed to those who want to play at a decent level online and nothing more.

No - it seems you still don't understand :) A Tournament is NOT for proving something to someone! And especially not for proving how cool something is =) And even more so, how cool a resource is :) A tournament would be useful for CONTACT, which could lead to closer cooperation, personal contacts, and finding mutual interests, etc. (if that's what you want). But the majority, both yours and ours, apparently don't understand this yet. That's a pity. It means that all my efforts are in vain for now.

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I'm temporarily washing my hands of this... prove everything to each other yourselves. I'll be back tomorrow - I'll check :D :D :D

I am the player who wrote about your site in the "Humor" thread. After that, Forrest, Balamut, and Papik replied that instead of making fun of the topics, it would be better to point out what is wrong and how to play well. I agreed with these arguments and also wrote in the "Castle tactics" section about how to play. I was surprised that, as one of the players here wrote, the good players here, even with more than 1000 posts in the thread, didn't bother to explain to the newcomers what was wrong with their opinions and how to play correctly. Forrest's main idea was to unite the players, explain everything that they don't understand or are mistaken about, if the local pros don't want to help their fellow enthusiasts for some reason... Regarding what heroes.by is... All the former world champions in Heroes 3 (according to ToH), champions of tournaments held in various clubs and resources, actively played (or still play) there. The easiest way to see the level of play is to read the reports in the various tournaments that are held simultaneously (and many will be surprised by the time it takes to capture the Necropolis on the second week without any diplomacy, not playing as the Necromancer, but as the Stronghold, The Shadow of Death), and in almost every game, the games are described in detail day by day. When the level of play is high, there are practically no losses due to "bad luck." And it is much more interesting to win due to skillful play, carefully planning each move, than to play almost like a coin toss, where today you are lucky, and tomorrow I am. Not long ago, one of the large English-language resources offered to play against the strongest players in the world and heroes.by, and the heroes.by players won with a score of 5-1. Many players who used to play (and still play) in offline tournaments and took first places (in the same Heroes League) now play online in parallel. And the main goal of Forrest (as I understand it) is to promote the unity of two RUSSIAN-SPEAKING resources, helping each other and raising the level of play, thereby increasing the number of players-opponents in online and offline games on both resources. Now, about TE. After all, many (including me) didn't want to switch from SoD to TE at first (we were conservatives). And at first, we did this: we played in TE, where additional options were disabled, that is, in essence, in a regular SoD, The Shadow of Death, which differed from it only in: 1) Fast transfer of troops and artifacts from heroes to each other with just one button (how it speeds up the online game process) 2) Splitting the hero's squad into individual units with one button and gathering them into one squad - also with one button 3) Replacing scrolls with piles of gold: 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 (since, according to the rules, scrolls of level 4 and 5 are still prohibited in the first weeks of the game, and this way, if you capture them, you will at least get some money) 4) Removing SoD bugs (such as viewing the opponent's buildings during their turn, selling artifacts at an inflated price, etc.) 5) Starting heroes (and also the heroes that are on the left in the tavern) always come with full troops. That is, in TE, it is not the case that you choose Valeskia, and she comes with only one stack, with 4 archers, and that's it, but she will always come with 3 stacks (the same for all other starting heroes for any Castle). And THAT'S IT, THE REST IS JUST A REGULAR SoD, THE SHADOW OF DEATH, BUT MUCH MORE CONVENIENT FOR PLAYING ONLINE THAN THE STANDARD VERSION. Well, if someone only wants to play SoD, by all means, in the "looking for an opponent" section, you can indicate that you are ready to fight only in SoD, and then players who are willing to fight in SoD will contact you. Not all players play only in TE (although those who don't want to spend a lot of time playing only play in TE, as it is, in principle, the same SoD, but much more convenient and faster for playing online)

It simply cannot be built on the first week

Ha-ha, I laughed at such irony. If you write responses like that to my irony, then you don't understand the essence of my statement. I won't argue about which day the Capitol is built, because you know that much better :)

But seriously, you're wrong to say that someone is acting arrogant. What, for example, consists of my "arrogance"?
Yes, I wrote about a low level of knowledge. But what is written there said exactly that (Heroes 3/Tactics). I communicate in the Tactics thread successfully, answering questions/asking them. If this also looks like "arrogance," then sorry, we have a different understanding.

I will repeat myself, but I already wrote above, - this misunderstanding is most likely due to insufficiently competent conduct of parliamentary negotiations on both your side and ours. I understood your idea, which is why you originally came to us and offered help in the development of online games. I have already started trying in every way to facilitate your original idea (joint cooperation of our sites in terms of online games, creating online tournaments or something of that sort). But, when after a certain discussion, all that is heard from you is that TE is the best thing there is in nature, play only TE, because nothing better can exist, - a question arose for me (the answer to which I already knew from posts on your forum before creating this thread, but at first didn't give much importance to), - is this simply TE propaganda and poaching to your site, or a truly sincere offer to popularize Heroes? From Balamut's posts, I concluded that it is exactly what I thought. Because there was nothing except (I'll say right away that I'm exaggerating slightly, but the essence is the same) "we'll crush everyone," "we are the fathers," "we have the best players on the planet," "you don't know how to play," and things like that (don't nitpick or comment on my words in brackets, because I repeat, - they are exaggerated, - but in essence they reflect the core of Balamut's posts, and this is just my IMHO). I personally already knew about your level of play, your top players, what they can actually do, and I learned a lot from your reports, but why present it in such a way, - I cannot understand??? As they say, authority does not need to be praised on every corner, - if it is truly an authority, - then everyone has known about it for a long time and advertising is not needed. Also, I guess that your version of TE was created specifically for professional play, - I've been unable to decide to switch to it for a long time, - but I've almost decided, moreover, I even promoted it myself (although I've never played it myself, but from your reports I had a pretty good idea). In short, I really didn't like the atmosphere of the conversation in this topic, and I most likely will not participate in it anymore.
I want to add at the end: and what if we came to you and said, - "you're all noobs and don't know how to play offline. We'll crush any of your top players in off? Only online is played there, right?" And we would tell everyone at every turn that you are nothing in offline and tease you that the Capitol isn't built on the first week. If you have a narrow specialization only in online, then on HeroSword more people play off (and in off, the players are very strong, IMHO, maybe not as much as in the league (though who knows), but we'll outplay you all). And you came and say that we have crude rules for online matches and you're all noobs. Dammit, these rules are only a week old, and you keep poking fun at them. I wrote at the very beginning, - if you have the desire, then help with the formation of online rules, and I provided a link where tips and recommendations can be left. But you only give tips on how to correctly take the max consu with a Miner on the second week. Do you really think that nobody else knew that, or doesn't know the damage calculation formulas, etc.? Yes, the forum is quite large and answering every such question sometimes not only takes time, but is sometimes just lazy. You would be better off helping with actions. By the way, I'm new here too, but as far as I know, all the damage calculation formulas and much more were gathered bit by bit by Amber Soler from all resources, and he was apparently originally on this forum (maybe I'm wrong due to lack of full information). And you took the damage calculation formulas, etc., from Fizmig, didn't you? So who is teaching whom, then? ;) Anyway, I spoke here out of emotion, but you could do well to level up your diplomacy :) (there isn't any in TE, I think, and you probably forgot what that is), and as for the Capitol on the first week, we'll manage to build it ourselves somehow.

No, it seems you still don't understand. A tournament isn't meant to prove anything to anyone! Especially not about how cool something is, or how cool a resource is. A tournament would be useful for making contact, which could lead to closer cooperation, personal connections, and finding mutual interests, etc. (if that's what you want). But it seems that the majority of both your group and ours haven't understood this yet. That's a shame. It means that all my efforts are in vain for now.

You see, the problem is that playing SoD after TE is like driving a "Moskvich" after a "Mercedes" (that's just my opinion). I would gladly participate in a tournament, but if it's SoD, I'm telling the truth, go ahead and criticize me, do whatever you want, but I just can't play SoD. I don't know what to compare it to – it's like going to the toilet outside in -35 degrees when you have the option of going inside where it's warm (sorry for the comparison, I'm just trying to express what I feel) :o

- is this just propaganda for TE and an attempt to lure people to your site, or is it a genuinely sincere proposal to popularize Heroes?

Please, read my long post. I'm being sincere. Why do we need to popularize it? What's the point for us? If you don't like TE, then don't play it. I just can't understand how anyone can prefer SoD. Give me just one reason.

but I was almost convinced, and even promoted it myself (although I never played it, but I had a pretty good idea of it from your reports).

Heh, you almost quoted me word for word. I said something similar about a year ago. :)
It's a shame that my "almost convinced" took longer than it should have

of course, we understand... that's why we want to find a compromise=;);) but you started the discussion in a slightly wrong way;)

of course, we understand... that's why we want to find a compromise, but you started the discussion in a slightly wrong way.

Maybe, but I'm trying to make sure we don't look like aliens who came to conquer planet Earth :p
Well, is it working at all?:) Just don't tell me I wasted the evening :p

Hey, I found a good link.
http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=70&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=210

My post is the 5th from the top. Compare what I said before (when I mostly played on the portal, Shades of Darkness) and what I'm saying now :)

Maybe, but I'm trying to make sure we don't look like aliens who came to conquer planet Earth :p
Am I at least getting a little bit closer?:)

...maybe to many you look that way=) personally, I don't... because I support both sides to some extent in what they write here...
there are those on your side who are wrong, and there are those on our side...
therefore, I suggest again... to find a compromise for the game between the portals+););) i.e., not to shout "SOD-TE" and say what is better... but to try to find a way out of the current situation using other methods.=) maybe we will make some concessions, maybe you will=) ...

as for the rules... yes, they are indeed green... but they are not as hopeless as you say;);) so if you help us with them, we will be grateful;);)
all right, see you tomorrow;);)

Basically, I got carried away with my emotions, but you could benefit from improving your diplomacy skills. (There isn't any in TE, and you probably forgot what it is), and we'll figure out how to build the Capitol on the first week ourselves.

You shouldn't have reacted that way; emotions are unnecessary in such matters. It just created a wrong impression. I was trying to explain on MY OWN RESOURCE (Heroesportal) that we weren't playing well, and they didn't believe me. They said something similar: "Go away with your TE; if you're so good." Although, many of them are now playing on heroes.by, in TE. And then I received comments like: "Hey, TE is just SoD, but much more convenient." Perhaps my message to you came across as a bit arrogant, but God is my witness, no one intended to offend anyone.

P/S And it seemed to me that you had already built the Capitol ;)

I am the player who wrote about your website in the "Humor" thread.

Kol, I apologize for writing that way :) I just wanted to show that we didn't come here to laugh, but to genuinely find colleagues

If there’s a tournament, I’m ready to play for the heroes.by team or for HW (I’m a member of the HW clan). In The Eastern Era with all new features disabled except for the interface.