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2 Balamut: What do you think about this?

1. I understand that they want to unite players who will play Heroes 3 online professionally, and most likely not on our resource, but on theirs.

And the issue of exchanging experience can easily occur through the battles themselves. But this topic was created, as far as I understand, as a proposal from the portal..., and does this "portal name" include only a few like-minded people?

True, it's well-phrased, but not very feasible :)

Now that's something else entirely ;)
So, until Forest and Papik personally respond to Adelaide, the topic is closed, as this question interests not only her ;)

And what's with all the criticism? Is it any different here? Now, Hacker (the forum's second-in-command) will announce that we need to play against another forum. And then what? Will everyone immediately follow him in a united front? Just like here, a certain group will emerge, possibly they will play, and again, there will be no specifics until the exact lineup and rules are determined. And those rules will be developed by the same three or four people. But in the end, it will be done "on behalf of the portal."

This is a different matter now ;) So, until Forest and Papik personally respond to Adelaide, the topic is closed, as this issue concerns not only her.

The topic isn't closed, but we're primarily waiting for responses from these people.

But we also need to contribute. Perhaps we can suggest rules, the number of participants, the game version... Let's participate. When two groups move towards each other, they meet faster than when one stands still and asks questions.

Even if the initial series consists of three games, maybe we shouldn't try to make it a global event right away.

2 Balamut:

what do you think about this?


And the issue of exchanging experience can easily occur through the battles themselves. But the topic was created, as it were, as a proposal from the portal..., and does this "portal name" include only a few like-minded people?

The fact that the topic was created under this name is the problem of the topic creator.
Regarding whether it includes only a few like-minded people - Papik and Forrest have plenty of like-minded people, and I, for example, agree with most of their ideas.

2 Balamut: 1) I was asking if Alex_R is right that there are plans to "lure" high-level players..., and not just the realization that battles will take place between two online gaming resources? 2) That is, to hold some kind of portal war, you will find someone to do it, because there should be more than just 2 players, IMHO.

Honestly, I don't understand what the problem is.....
"Interested in contacting our resource" there is a special topic where people arrange to play TE, get their contact info from there and get in touch.

Good day to the respected participants. I could not help but react to this post, as it touches on rather delicate issues.
A bit of background.
I decided to take a tour of the internet to find out if there are any Heroes-related resources for Heroes 3 that have a sufficiently large number of participants who play online. The goal of this search is the consolidation of players who might want to play with various opponents, want to learn to play but may not be aware of the existence of other resources.
One of the most active and largest resources in this regard turned out to be HeroesWorld. Well then. I read the forums, looked at how things are, and concluded that your resource has great potential, but it is, excuse me, in an embryonic state. At the same time, I liked the internal "atmospheric organization" of the site — the clans, but I absolutely did not like the organization of online games — practically no regular tournaments with ratings, nor even any clear rules for online games were found (there are rules from the 18th of this month for the online tournament, which, as I understand, were successfully copied from heroesportal, and before that there were rules for the online tournament, but in my opinion, they have many flaws). But this is just a preface.

If you want to organize a tournament with HeroesWorld, gather teams and play...
If you want a tournament not resource vs resource, but mixed, for the individual championship of each player separately — register with us, we have just started a system of non-tournament rating that takes into account every reported game. So, if you don't like this rating and want us to play on your rating (which, in my understanding, means you'd need to register on your site), then, pardon me, how can this not be seen as advertising?
Nevertheless, I ask you to perceive my words as IMHO, and I want to say that I understand — the world of Heroes is ideally one, and the main thing is that as many players as possible meet, play, develop new tactics, etc., and it doesn't really matter where and under the auspices of which resource this happens. But I am such a "radish" resident of HeroesWorld, I want the friendly resource to specify its wishes, what they want from us: an official tournament, just friendly games, ranked games, and explain what the problem is, is someone preventing them from playing with our players? In short, it's unclear why this topic was created.

So, what do we want? In the post by the Respected Adelaide, a serious note of distrust and perhaps even hostility towards the "newcomers" who might be trying to lure people to another resource slips through. Fortunately, this opinion is completely wrong.
Let's start with the simplest — what is a gaming resource and its user?
Apparently, it's a person registered on this resource, communicating on the forum, and in our case, playing. But here it's worth noting one feature — if your site has not only a gaming component but also, how to put it more precisely, a "spiritual" one. That is, there are associations of players by clan attribute, clans write their history, there is competition between clans in different versions of Heroes, and so on. Our site is focused exclusively on online games for Heroes 3. What could be meant by "advertise our resource and lure a user away from you"? If we had two identical resources in terms of content, the answer would be clear — a player who played on your site starts playing on ours. But in this case, the situation is different — even if a player starts playing with our players and even registers on our forum, it seems to me that this should not affect your site in any way; moreover, no one is stopping them from rating games both on your site and on ours, as well as posting games on both forums. For a long time, we practiced that players playing on several resources post their games, and they are entered into our rating (the only stumbling block later was that most players from different resources did not intersect, and the game version differed — consequently, the accuracy of the rating suffered greatly, but if we ensure sufficient overlap in games between players of our resources now, this issue will be resolved). That is, what I want to say: it's not about poaching players!!! Because in the case of our gaming portals, this makes no sense. Moreover. Since online games on your resource are still in their infancy, I would see our interaction in this light. Your portal is more filled with various components — ours is narrowly specialized. It would be very appropriate if your players familiarized themselves with our principles of rating formation, rules, and most importantly — (yes, yes, this is propaganda :) —) tried to embrace the ideas of TE — for which we will make every effort to popularize this version of Heroes to the masses as the most suitable for head-to-head competition at the present time. (I would especially like to discuss this point with comrade Kamikaze — I can understand the phrase "I don't like TE". But "TE is non-competitive" requires some serious justification.) And then, after familiarization, it could be done this way.
We have no concept of clans at all. All we have is essentially a gaming arena — well-coordinated with refined rules and a clear tournament mechanism — which you don't have yet. We can offer our platform for holding tournaments and, naturally, personal participation in them; our rating will in no way interfere with your rating if you want to make your own rating, or if you wish, you can use our rating...
Let me try to summarize: our experience and practice in conducting online games could be a clear addition to your site. In the future, one could talk about a merger. Moreover, if you notice, absorption usually goes by a larger resource absorbing smaller ones — you have a broadly specialized resource, we have a narrowly specialized one, thus ours would only become an addition to yours, even if separated into a distinct division. What do we have? You have the ideological implementation — we have the arena for battles. Why not combine these two trump cards? Any battles can be conducted using our portal, utilizing our experience, and I think a number of our players will be interested in the idea of clans — fortunately, we have many players, for example, they can be separated by territorial criteria — and what we previously might have called a meeting of Minsk players against Moscow players under the auspices of your portal could be called a meeting of the Minsk clan against Moscow... That is, your site in turn could also gain new players, new clans, and a wealth of new ideas. Plus, I can say that extensive experience in conducting online tournaments and the high level of players will allow us to share experience and greatly contribute to raising the skill level of players from both portals... It's a bit jumbled... BUT questions to ICQ 336775860 )

And to the question — why is all this necessary at all — I will answer simply: there are few Heroes players, and if we don't try to unite them, there will be even fewer in the future.
PS In order not to be unfounded, I will say that one of our participants has already joined one of your clans:)

1) I asked if Alex_R was right that there are plans to "lure" high-level players..., and not just the realization that battles will take place between two online gaming resources?

Ley - let's avoid the "broken telephone" effect.
1. I didn't write anywhere that their goal is to lure strong players.
2. User Balamut is not the author of this idea.

2 Balamut:

1) I was asking if Alex_R is right that there are plans to "lure" high-level players..., and not just the understanding that battles will take place between two online gaming communities?

2) i.e., will you be able to organize some kind of portal war, because there should be more than just 2 players, IMHO.

Luring high-level players. I find that amusing. Do you really think that players are some kind of children who can be tempted with a lollipop? The average age of our players is not less than 25 years. These are established family people. If they go somewhere, it will be because they are genuinely interested in it. Besides, I personally separate the concepts of a game and a forum. A person can communicate on one forum, but play in two or more different places. I don't see anything wrong with that; some of our players do just that. They play not only with our players but also with players from other communities.
Regarding the second point: yes, I think we will find players for a tournament between websites (at least in the past four times, we found them easily).

2 Balamut:

1) I was asking if Alex_R is right that there are plans to "lure" high-level players..., and not just the realization that battles will take place between two online gaming resources?

2) i.e., will you be able to organize some kind of portal war, because it should involve more than just 2 players on 2, IMHO.

Oh well. Regarding luring high-level players. Are you posting about luring players from one place to another?
Is it like, "Hey friend! Here are the Clans, come play on our portal :))?" In my opinion, one doesn't interfere with the other, and in fact, they complement each other ideologically. I understand that you will now quote Adelaide, who said, "Well, whoever wants to can play with us!" Yes, that makes sense on one hand, but you need to consider all aspects of the issue.
Either we are rooting for the overall development of Heroes, or for a specific resource – personally, I am rooting for the overall development of Heroes. And EXCLUSIVELY for this reason, when choosing between "playing by your rules" or "by ours," I would choose us. Simply because there are more or less clear regulations and regular Tournaments. But that's not even the point – I'm trying to explain that the very concept of "you and us" doesn't make sense. We have something like anarchy bordering on democracy and dictatorship at the same time:). We don't have clan leaders and so on – we JUST PLAY!
So far, as I understand from the posts, some people are afraid of losing part of their influence. Although, in general, there is nothing to be afraid of here. We don't have things similar to your Clans, so talking about luring players in this sense is meaningless. But we do have strong Tournaments with strong players. In principle, if there is any doubt about this, it can be proven by holding a meeting, but it seems to me that this is unnecessary, since the experience of holding such meetings has shown that it usually doesn't prove anything to anyone.

I see that you are really trying hard for us… Maybe you can explain:

“My dad and I worked on establishing contact between resources. They already have a thread about us.

/topic/at/129357/

Maybe someone would be interested in playing a match against them! Perhaps they won’t want to role-play, but this is a chance for our substitutes to show themselves!”?

I see that you are really trying hard for us... Maybe you can explain:

"My dad and I have been working on establishing contact between resources. Here, they already have a thread about us.

/topic/at/129357/

Maybe someone would be interested in playing a match with them!?
They might not want to participate in an RP [Role Playing] match, but here's a chance for the reserves to show themselves!"?

Sorry, what needs explaining?
We created a thread where we write that we are trying to establish contact and announce a possible match. RP is short for "Realniy Patsani" (Real Guys) – something like the Champions League. They probably won’t want to because there are many tournaments right now, and they are overwhelmed with games:))
But we have enough skilled players even without participants from this tournament :) Moreover, our ORP (Open Realniy Patsani) qualifying tournament is coming to an end, and the winners will become new RPs:) I think we can find participants among them who are just as strong as the current RPs and will perform well in this tournament.

My suggestion was simply to be friends. :) To play and share experiences (in particular, an inter-site tournament). When I visited your forum, I liked the atmosphere and its activity. But, I'm sorry, the level of knowledge about Heroes 3 surprised me with its low level. As Papik said, there aren't that many heroic communities, so communication between them is only beneficial. For example, I joined one of your clans! So, what kind of poaching are we talking about? **Regarding TE, don't distort the facts (it's almost the same as SoD, only better; for example, in Utopia, you won't get boots of levitation and a captain's hat, which is bad).** Almost everyone was against TE at the beginning (including me!), but after 6 years, people got used to SoD, but then there were hardly any people left playing SoD (it's just not worth spending much more time in vain, and TE allows you to save time!).

I certainly don't object to joint cooperation, as combining different skills is a good goal, I agree. However, doesn't this excerpt from your portal prove the opposite? The seriousness of your post is not apparent. I was simply stating my position.

Also, you write that we should calculate our own rating, and you'll calculate yours – one doesn't interfere with the other...; you also state that your site will be an addition to ours...; so, why not have a single rating for everyone on our site? What's the problem? You can give us some hints and explain various aspects of the online rating's shortcomings; we can borrow some ideas and add others.

The issue of a merger was also raised. What kind of merger? If this wasn't an exaggeration, then these "words" must have already been agreed upon with our administration, right? If it's just a metaphor, then why express your point of view in such a way? Why confuse people? Let everyone be informed. I understand that this shows your literacy and education, but shouldn't you be a little simpler in this matter?

I see that you are really trying hard for us... Maybe you can explain:

"My dad and I worked on establishing contact between resources. They already have a thread about us there.

/topic/at/129357/

Maybe someone would be interested in playing a match with them!?
They might not want to play an RP game, but here's a chance for the backups to show themselves!"

Let me clarify.
As far as I understand, the first part of the phrase is clear. It says exactly what it means.
The second part: I am directly asking who would be interested in this :).
Regarding RP, these are REal Players - participants in the online tournament (in my opinion, some of the best in the world at Heroes 3). They need to finish their games by the end of the year, so they probably won't want to.
But the selection for this tournament is almost over. (For example, I am already participating and becoming an RP player; my dad also has a chance.) Perhaps we will participate.
And I don't think there's anything strange about me suggesting that some of the best players in the world in Heroes 3 (RP) may not ALL want to play a match with you (you yourself say that your online presence is just starting). We can form a worthy team from other players.

I liked the atmosphere and activity on your forum. But, I'm sorry, the level of knowledge about Heroes 3 surprised me with its low level.

So, let's not take it personally.
1. Your opinion is absolutely not an indicator of the level of our knowledge in Heroes 3.
2. What you read or discussed on our forum does not reflect the knowledge level of all users.
3. I'll say more - the fact that your resource specializes only in Heroes 3 online does not indicate a higher level of knowledge - quite the opposite! Especially since you simply have 100 times fewer people, IMHO.