Which level 7 creature is the best, and why? — Polls

Yser

11/20/2007 7:15 PM UTC

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Archangel – I don’t think there’s any debate here. I’d give 2nd place to the Death Knight – agree, the HP reserve, immunity to magic, and attack on two units are pretty good.
I’d give 3rd place to the Titans for their HP and decent damage.

Нам хорошо иногда, Богу - всегда.

Счастье - на стороне того, кто доволен :)

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Source

11/20/2007 7:49 PM UTC

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Ley;128687

In such an example, with equal hero stats (specifically, 0 in both morality and luck), the Ancient Wonders have no chance, IMO. The number of lives and abilities don't stand a chance against the Archangel's turn priority and the unit's stats.

Second place goes to the Black Dragons. Archdevils are unable to defeat them in a 1-on-1 battle, and Titans also can't handle them...

It's a shame that it's not possible to record videos in Heroes of Might and Magic III. I would demonstrate it.

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Ley

11/20/2007 8:12 PM UTC

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It's a pity that you can't record videos in the third game. I would demonstrate.

You can demonstrate. Create a map in the editor, place the specified units, conduct a series of 1-on-1 battles between Black Dragons, Titans, and Archangels, then upload it and maybe reconsider your point of view... :)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

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Source

11/20/2007 8:21 PM UTC

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Ley;128713

I can demonstrate. Create a map in the editor, place the specified units, conduct a series of 1-on-1 battles between Death Knights, Titans, and Archangels, then upload it, and maybe you'll reconsider your point of view... :)

In general, I created a video, and I'll upload it tomorrow. It will be in the sav format; rename it to avi. The battle will be between an Archdevil, first against a Titan, and then against a Black Dragon. The quality isn't great, but everything is visible, albeit slowly. I'll say right away that I play fairly, without any cheats, etc. Everything is visible there.

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Ley

11/21/2007 7:01 AM UTC

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Source;128722

Basically, I created a video, and I'll upload it tomorrow. It will be in the .sav format; rename it to .avi. The battle features an Archdevil, first against a Titan, and then against a Black Dragon. The quality isn't great, but everything is visible, albeit slowly. I'm playing fairly, without any cheats or anything. Everything is visible there.

It will be interesting to watch... And are you perhaps confusing it with another part of the Heroes series? :)

"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."

Qwerty

11/21/2007 7:51 AM UTC

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In a one-on-one battle, the ancient monster defeats the archangel. That's how it is.
However, for me, the topic of this thread is relevant in this context: when capturing a castle, will I buy a small number of level 7 creatures there (around 3), or will I spend resources and gold on upgrades?
Archangels, in my opinion, look better than all the others. Phoenixes are also good (considering their quantity). I take Black Dragons if I expect battles with a powerful mage.

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Source

11/21/2007 8:06 AM UTC

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Well, I did say it, but no one believes me. Regarding the Archangel, I can only say that he is the strongest. Losing 1-on-1 doesn't mean anything; even the computer considers him the strongest. But we also have a small dispute brewing about the second place, specifically in 1-on-1 hand-to-hand combat. I say it's the Archdevil, but again, no one believes me. I'll have to post a video to prove it.

badping

11/21/2007 11:45 AM UTC

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In a one-on-one battle, the Ancient Behemoth defeats the Archangel. That's how it is.

Hmm... well, I suggest the following alternative:
Let's play a game where you use a hero with 1 Ancient Behemoth, and I'll use a hero with 1 Archangel. :) In case of a morale loss, we'll have to replay, of course. The heroes should be some Elementals with zero Attack and Defense stats.
And when you lose (and you will lose), you'll write in large text that the Archangel is unmatched in single combat. :)

Because, frankly, I'm tired of seeing such statements, especially after so many pages of discussion and clearly not from a newbie in this game.

Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.

Qwerty

11/21/2007 12:24 PM UTC

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Hmm...
First round.
Arch deals 78 damage. Monster responds with 66 damage.
Monster deals 66 damage. Arch responds with 78 damage.
Second round.
Arch deals 78 damage. Monster responds with 66 damage.
Monster deals 66 damage. Arch is defeated.
That's what happened...

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

badping

11/21/2007 12:57 PM UTC

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Well, no, things are not quite like that. :) Firstly, the Archangel deals 80 damage to the Monster, I just checked it myself. The Monster deals 49-82 damage to the Archangel. As you can see, it's not a given that it will always be 66. Where did you even get that number from? Okay, it's not that important. The algorithm is as follows: 1. The first turn is for the Archangel, and it waits. The Monster must either make a move or defend itself. Which, in principle, is almost the same: +3 to defense reduces damage by only 4-5 points, it seems. In any case, the Archangel needs exactly 4 hits to defeat the Monster. And the Monster needs at least 4 hits to win. Therefore, after waiting for the end of the turn, the Archangel flies in and attacks the Monster. In total, each side has made 1 attack. 2. At the beginning of the second round, the Archangel attacks again and receives a counter-attack. In total, each side has made 2 attacks. The Monster also attacks and, in turn, receives a counter-attack from the Archangel. Each creature has made 3 attacks. 3. In the third round, the Archangel finishes off the opponent and no longer receives a counter-attack, because its attack will be the last. :) In general, there's a catch here. The fact is that if the Archangel immediately jumps into battle, it will die. But simply pressing the "wait" button in the first round guarantees it a 100% victory. That's how things really are. :)

Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.

Qwerty

11/21/2007 1:09 PM UTC

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Are you sure you used the heroes from the beginning?
The thing is, the archer's damage should be 50*(1+(30-19)*0.05)=77.5.
Now, look. When defending against hippos on the first turn, the damage is reduced to 50*(1+(30-22)*0.05)=70.
In principle, due to the higher initiative, the archer should win on the first turn (4 attacks against three).
By the way, what about increasing the number of units? Will you check that?

Орден Феникса – харизматический :) лидер

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Source

11/21/2007 1:43 PM UTC

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by the way, who's betting on the Archdevil in a 1v1 against the Titan and the Black Dragon?

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Vanechka

11/21/2007 2:02 PM UTC

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badping;128850

Hmm... well, I propose the following alternative:
let's play a game where you fight me with a hero who has 1 Ancient Horror, and I'll have a hero with 1 Archangel. :) If morale drops, we'll have to replay, of course. The heroes will be some Elementals with zero Attack and Defense stats.
And when you lose (and you will lose), you'll write in large text that the Archangel is unmatched in single combat. :)

Because, frankly, I'm tired of seeing such statements, especially after so many pages of discussion and clearly not from a newbie in this game.

Badping,
well, I propose the following alternative:
let's play a game where you fight me with a hero who has 1 Ancient Horror, and I'll have a hero with 1 Archangel. :) If morale drops, we'll have to replay, of course. The heroes will be some Elementals with Attack and Defense stats of 50.
And when you lose (and you will lose), you'll write in large text that the Horror is unmatched in single combat. :)

Because, frankly, I'm tired of seeing such statements, especially after so many pages of discussion and clearly not from a newbie in this game.
:smile40: :smile40: :smile40:

P.S.:
In this scenario, the Horror only needs TWO hits to take down the Archangel. Just as you described - the Archangel waits, the Horror defends. Then the Archangel attacks twice and, from the recoil, falls asleep.

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Source;128897

by the way, who's betting on the Archdevil in a 1-on-1 fight against a Titan and a Black Dragon?

The Dragon and Titan will defeat one Archdevil. I'm also taking bets on the Archdevil :D :D :D

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Source

11/21/2007 2:11 PM UTC

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Vanechka;128898

Badping,
so, I suggest the following alternative:
let's play, you against me, with you using a hero with 1 Ancient Horror, and I'll use a hero with 1 Archangel. :) In case of a morale drop, a replay will, of course, be necessary. The heroes will be some Elementals with Attack and Defense stats of 50.
And when you lose (and you will lose), you'll write in large text that the Horror has no equal in single combat. :)

Because, frankly, I'm tired of seeing such statements, especially after so many pages of discussion and clearly not from a newbie in this game.
:smile40: :smile40: :smile40:

P.S.:
In this scenario, the Horror only needs TWO hits to take down the Archangel. Just as you said - the Archangel waits, the Horror defends. Then the Archangel attacks twice and, from the recoil, falls asleep.

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A Dragon with a Titan will defeat one Archdevil. I'm also taking bets on the Archdevil:D :D :D

I meant the Archdevil and the Titan separately, and then against the Dragon. Many people think the Archdevil will lose in hand-to-hand combat, but I know the opposite is true

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Vanechka

11/21/2007 2:19 PM UTC

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Source;128911

I meant Archdevil versus Titan, and then versus Dragon, separately. Many think that Archdevil would lose in hand-to-hand combat, but I know otherwise.

Yes, I was just kidding, Source...
Tell me in order - the stats of the heroes and the battle scheme.
(I mean, you don't have to post a video...)