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- It's like a prosthesis. It performs its function, but it won't replace the real thing.
— On the one hand, I would like to argue with you. On the other hand, I cannot deny that, personally, I consider the option of blood relation as paramount. And to give a definitive answer, one would need a multifaceted experience, which cannot be gained without living many lives. Ultimately, if it brings happiness to a person, I don't see any fundamental difference. Everyone should judge for themselves.
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- Actually, no, today is the last day. That's why I decided to show myself to you in order to officially meet and then say goodbye.
"And I see he's sentimental, despite all the strictness of his judgments. Not every spy would reveal himself to say goodbye to the objects of his mission."
— That makes sense," Alaria said thoughtfully, "I would like to ask what the transfer is related to, a more important job or some kind of message that Carneol has almost lived out his time. However, I suppose this information is confidential?
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- In very general terms... Alright, the test is passed. But what do you think is the reason the queen took the others, but left you behind for now? - As he asked this question, Master Midorik was ready to stop any new self-destructive action from the slave. - Think carefully, don't rush.
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- Well, you've just answered your own question. To die without leaving anything behind, or to live a meaningful life with a sense of duty fulfilled and leave behind a great legacy for centuries to come? Which of these two options is sadder? And yet, the first option is far more common.
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Perhaps a person believes that, like the native inhabitants of Helma, they have wings, and according to their self-perception, they need to jump off a cliff to be happy. But it would be better for both them and society if this path were closed to them and they were directed down a different path.
-- But who are we to judge them, and why should we decide whether it's sad or not? I thought I understood you, but maybe I didn't?

-- Let's put it this way: in the book about the queen-singer, the wording suggests general prosperity, but in a specific, important aspect for the heroine, there is dissatisfaction. Perhaps I misunderstood, or maybe it wasn't the character's opinion, but the author's. In any case, it's easy for me to say that I wouldn't like such a fate. Leaving a mark in history is a plus, everything else is a minus. In this regard, I felt a little sympathy for Lorenzia, judging her primarily by what is written, and secondly, by myself. Simple and clear.

-- In your example, I don't even understand the catch: a person dreams of jumping off cliffs, and then goes and jumps. Well, that's great, apparently, they are not interested in continuing the family, like you and me, and survival is not interesting, like you and me, let them do what they want, why is that bad?

-- Public good, in general, does not relate to feelings and emotions; it is an external factor that should be accepted and lived with, just like with physical laws, the will of other individuals, and so on. This good may correspond to your desires, or it may not. It does not prevent or help to sympathize with or, on the contrary, envy someone's fate... Unless you have no feelings except for public consciousness, but, no matter how beautifully it sounds, in reality this is hardly possible; we are not golems. Even if we try to completely discard the personal, we will still have cognitive biases, evaluation errors, and so on, which will not allow us to think objectively in terms of public good.
 

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— On the one hand, I would like to argue with you. On the other hand, I cannot deny that, personally, I consider the option of blood relation to be of primary importance. And to give a definitive answer, one would need extensive experience, which cannot be gained without living many lives. Ultimately, if it brings happiness to a person, I don't see any fundamental difference. Everyone should judge for themselves.
— If drinking another glass of alcohol brings happiness to an alcoholic, it doesn't mean that it's beneficial for their overall well-being, and they should continue drinking, — the spy smiled slightly, — just as in the laws of physics, there are certain constants in a person's life that do not change based on subjective opinion.
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— That makes sense, — Alaria nodded thoughtfully, — I would like to ask if the transfer is related to a more important task or some message that Carneol has almost lived out his time. However, I suppose this information is confidential?
— Lived out his time? Why do you think so?
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— In very general terms... Okay, the test is passed. And what do you think, why did the Queen take the others, but left you here for now? — Asking this question, Master Midorik was ready to stop any new self-destructive action of the slave. — Think carefully, don't rush.
The prisoner first looked at Ayano, then at the hole, and then looked around the room where she and Sonata had found him.
— If you allow me to be so bold... I think it's because her touch only reached the eastern part of this floor, and my location was in the western part... But I don't think I'm the only unlucky one; there are probably others left in other rooms of this wing.

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we are not golems
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- Do you think she decided not to leave you to wallow in loneliness? Who knows, who knows. Her will is not easily understood, - Sonata nods, implying that she has finished the questioning.
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- Understanding the Queen's thoughts is not something accessible to someone with my intellect, Master Midoric! I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to your highly intellectual question!
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nods to Sonata, implying that she has finished the questioning.
After that, Sonata called Jilo and instructed him to take care of the injured.

- Well, shall we move on?

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- If another glass of alcohol brings happiness to an alcoholic, it doesn't mean that they need to continue drinking for their overall well-being," the spy smiled slightly, "just as in the laws of physics, there are certain constants in a person's life that do not change based on subjective opinion.
— Another glass of wine brings not so much happiness to an alcoholic, but rather a temporary feeling of relief, which hides the continuation of a vicious cycle," the Tanarrian smiled in response, "and as for the constants... well, who defines them? Even about the laws of the universe, including physics, we learn more and more every year. Sometimes, old theories turn out to be not entirely correct, and it turns out that our perception of reality has been severely limited until now. The same is true for people. So, personally, I don't think it's right to focus on this so much. Life is too complex to reduce it to a series of variables.
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- Is it over? Why do you think so?
— I don't think so," she smiled again, "there are no prerequisites for that yet. I was just surprised by the supposed loss of interest in our squad, so I included this option in the list.
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After reciting a prayer for the tormented souls of the unfortunate elves – who may have once been happy, judging by the previous slave – she opens her eyes and nods silently.
One could say a lot or feel a lot inside about the disgust of the surrounding scene, but after descending to this floor and fully switching to work mode, her heart closed off.
My sword, my trusted ally, unphased by my aspect.
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-- Let's put it this way: the book about the queen-singer uses wording that hints at general well-being, but in a specific, important aspect for the heroine – dissatisfaction. Perhaps I misunderstood, or maybe it wasn't the character's opinion, but the author's.
- It mentions a comfortable life; what exactly that means, we, the inhabitants of the distant future, can only guess, but it could very well also mean spiritual balance. For my part, I can assume that Laurencia's life after her meeting with King Flanaravi hardly changed, especially if her passion in life was singing, which the unexpected changes she experienced likely did not hinder. In other words, I think that some of you have overly dramatized her fate.
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In any case, it's easy for me to say that such a fate would not be to my liking. Leaving a mark in history is a plus, everything else is a minus. In this regard, I sympathize with Laurencia a little, judging her primarily by what is written, and secondly, by myself. Simple and clear.
- In other words, if the ruler of the empire offered you to marry him, would you categorically refuse, or would you at least consider fulfilling your duty to him to be a fate unworthy of you? For a true knight of the crown, this is a rather unusual position, because it turns out that you are not acting out of a sense of loyalty, but solely because of a desire to fulfill a certain role that is pleasant to you.
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-- In your example, I don't even understand the catch: a person dreams of jumping off a cliff, and then he jumps. Well, that's great; apparently, he is not interested in continuing the family, like you and me, and survival is not interesting, like you and me; let him do what he wants, why is that bad?
- The ancestors of this person overcame cold and hunger, fought with celestial beings and each other, built a society and a state, of which he is a part from birth and to which he owes everything he is, and he is not interested? Let him first fulfill his duty to his family and homeland, and then do what he wants.
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-- Public good, in general, does not relate to feelings and emotions; it is an external factor that should be accepted and lived with, just like with physical laws, the will of other individuals, and so on. This good may correspond to your desires, or it may not. It does not help or hinder sympathizing with or, on the contrary, envying someone's fate... Unless you have no feelings at all except for public consciousness, but, however beautifully it may sound, in reality this is hardly possible; we are not golems. Even if we try to completely discard the personal, we will still have errors in thinking, errors in evaluation, and so on, which will not allow us to think objectively in terms of the public.
- Personal well-being depends on the well-being of society, and the well-being of society depends on personal well-being, and as long as we are not hermits, we must care about the public good as much as we care about our own personal well-being. A functioning state cannot be built on excessive individualism.
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An alcoholic gets not so much happiness from another glass of wine as a temporary feeling of relief, behind which lies the continuation of a vicious circle.
- That's right, and in the same way, adopted children, good deeds, and other forms of self-deception bring a feeling of deceptive relief to those who have not been able to create their own family. There is, of course, nothing wrong with adopted sons and daughters, and even on the contrary – this is extremely commendable, but before that, it is necessary to take care of one's own offspring.
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And as for constants... well, who defines them? Even about the laws of the universe, including physics, we learn more and more every year. Sometimes old theories turn out to be not entirely correct, and it turns out that until now our perception of reality has been greatly limited. The same is true for people. So, personally, I don't think it's right to focus so much on this. Life is too complex to be reduced to a series of variables.
- They are defined by traditions – the living experience of many generations who have gone through any imaginable and unimaginable situations before us, who have known life for centuries. Those who do not learn from the experience of the past are doomed to be lost for the present and have no future.

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- That's right, and in the same way, adopted children, charitable deeds, and other forms of self-deception bring a false sense of relief to those who have failed to create their own family. There is nothing wrong with adopted sons and daughters, and on the contrary, it is highly commendable, but before that, one must take care of one's own offspring.
"I never thought I would be discussing the issue of continuing the family line with a spy. It feels like Shen Shao himself would be very happy to start a family, but due to his duties, it is not easy for him."
- But what about people who are deprived of this opportunity for health reasons? Does it turn out that, according to your worldview, nothing but various forms of self-deception remains for them?
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- They are defined by traditions - the living experience of many generations that have gone through any imaginable and unimaginable situations before us, and have known life for centuries. Those who do not learn from the experience of the past are doomed to be lost for the present and have no future.
- I agree with the general thesis about learning from the experience of the past, although I am not sure if it is in the same context. Traditions and culture also tend to change under the influence of both external and internal factors. They also vary from place to place, and sometimes very much. Two radically different cultures can coexist peacefully, drawing on the past, despite their many differences. Or do you perceive the constants you mentioned as the basis for any society, no matter how much its order differs from another?
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Morning
After reciting a prayer for the tormented souls of the unfortunate elves – perhaps once happy, judging by the previous slave – she opens her eyes and nods silently.
One could say a lot or feel a lot inside about the disgust of the surrounding scene, but after descending to this floor and fully switching to work mode, her heart closed off.
In the next room, Aiyano and Sonata find a laurian tied to a table.

There were cabinets with all sorts of various tools around.

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Ayano spends a few seconds assessing the aura, along with her physical and mental state, and scans the room for any unpleasant surprises or holes in the floor.
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"It feels like they've already philosophized more in Carneol's headquarters today than the entire guild has in its history," Garrett thought, observing the discussion. He also thought that it was unheard of – they were treating an exposed spy with information like a valued guest and engaging in heartfelt conversation with him, offering him everything but bread and salt. In another group, he would have been apprehended long ago and locked in the basement for further investigation, even if he were the son of a senator. Or something even worse would have been done to him. But Erephir, of course, had her own vision of the situation, which Shen was quick to take advantage of. Nevertheless, just in case, Aster remained on alert, ready to react to the commander's signal if she suddenly decided to change tactics.