Which third-level creature is the best? — Polls

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Royal Griffin

23.4% 15 votes

Great Elf

51.6% 33 votes

Steel Golem

3.1% 2 votes

Cerberus

6.3% 4 votes

Summoning

0% 0 votes

Evil Eye

6.3% 4 votes

Orc Chieftain

0% 0 votes

Dragonfly

6.3% 4 votes

Ice Elemental

3.1% 2 votes

Mummy

0% 0 votes

Nomad

0% 0 votes

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In reply to Alex_R

K0Lb@zzeR

18 years ago

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Alex_R;127177

The Royal Aviation (Griffins and Dragonflies) will completely crush any archers of their level... both in strength and in numbers.

Shall we continue the pointless discussion? :)

-And (.1.) will easily defeat these (.2.).
-Yes, these (.2.) can be easily destroyed by these (.3.).
-No, your (.3.) will fall and won't get up after facing these (.3.) - they are simply beasts...

You can argue endlessly like this, which is just pointless chatter, and there is absolutely no point in these arguments. I'm saying that each unit has its own purpose in battle and in the game as a whole.

Sincerely, K0Lb@zzeR.

Qwerty

18 years ago

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Will dragonflies really crush the ice elementals? There's quite a difference in their health...

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Ley

18 years ago

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Qwerty;127175

2 Ley
I like your approach; it's well-reasoned and balanced.
However, I'd like to add some purely practical clarifications.
1. Considering the ability (unanswered three-headed strike), I would say that Cerberuses inflict the most damage. With the Blessing spell, they are truly beasts. Also, when firing, Elves deal 6-10 damage (two shots), which immediately puts them in first place. However, in melee combat, they end up in last place...
2. Considering the ability (unanswered strike) and "durability" (I have also repeatedly used the terms "survivability" and "toughness"), along with Golems, I would again put Cerberuses in a high position. By this parameter, I mean the number of survivors after the battle. This parameter is purely intuitive, a kind of mix of health, defense, and ability. Simply put, Cerberuses receive almost twice as few hits (they are not retaliated against)... In addition, Ghosts are very interesting in terms of this parameter.

Well, then I'll make a few edits to what you wrote...:)
The most damage is indeed dealt by Ice Elementals (3-7, Cerberuses 2-7). Next, we consider Elves...: with the Accuracy skill, their damage will be increased not by 100%, but by 50%, i.e., approximately 4.5-7.5.
Cerberuses can be considered alongside other Tier 3 creatures that engage in melee combat :D, but the question is that Golems still have more hit points. And Ghosts are certainly interesting creatures, but I prefer them only in the early stages of the game, in the very early stages - the ability to regenerate is very important for starting battles ;)

vbn

18 years ago

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By the way, elves lose to ice elementals in ranged combat under otherwise equal conditions (i.e., when the ranged attack skill is at the same level).

Kamikaze;127234

Do unequal growth rates count as otherwise equal conditions?
And also, only elves have morale.

No, it doesn't... In that case, elves turn out to be stronger.

Kamikaze

18 years ago

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And does having an unequal amount of growth included in otherwise equal conditions count?
And also, only the Elves have morality.

РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

18 years ago

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Ice elementals are also quite strong. Firstly, they have a lot of health, secondly, they have high defense, and thirdly, they deal the most damage. And a growth of 12 units speaks for itself.

In reply to Qwerty

Ley

18 years ago

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Qwerty;127184

But will dragonflies really crush the ice elementals completely? There's a definite difference in health...

So, I conducted a "test drive": D between these creatures. Everything is as it should be, with parameters, morale at zero, and so on..., in general, equal conditions. They fought in groups of 1111, i.e., 1000 vs. 1000, 100 vs. 100, 10 vs. 10, and 1 vs. 1
Starting from the left, the number of dragonflies that survived:
332
33
5
1

Conclusion - a complete victory over the ice elementals, despite the difference in age, well..., in health, damage, and parameters. The priority of the turn did its job, and the weakness also helped nicely.

In reply to РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

kcfgogbfalgfl

18 years ago

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12 for level 3 is the average for everyone (a little more, a little less), but the Griffin has 19 (although this includes the Bastion).

РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

18 years ago

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I think everyone has more.
The Castle has more.
The Rampart, Conflux, Necropolis, Stronghold, Fortress, Dungeon – I think only Golems have the same amount))) Or I don't remember.

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that is, only Golems have as many as Water Elementals.

Ley

18 years ago

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Well, everyone already knows about the Humans... But here's the growth of level 3 units in the other castles:
Rampart - +14 Elves
Inferno - +10 Cerberuses and +3 more, since there's the possibility of building a kennel
Necropolis - +14 Spectres
Dungeon - +14 Eyes
Swamp - +16 Serpents
Stronghold - +14 Orcs
Tower - +12 Golems
Conflux - +12 Ice Elementals
Draw your own conclusions ;)
Sincerely.

Qwerty

18 years ago

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Slightly off-topic. But...
My son says that if you want to weaken your own troops and even pay for it, upgrade the Air Elementals. In fact, when fighting flying units of the THIRD level, Air Elementals perform at least as well, while Storm Elementals lose.
If you're interested, you can conduct your own research. In general, when discussing third-level units, it seems to me that instead of discussing other units, it would be useful to discuss these elementals – their stats are generally at the level of third-level units, and their other indicators...

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Qwerty is a very interesting phrase, but it is only valid when fighting a third-tier unit in a 1v1 battle, which happens very rarely. In almost all other cases, Storm Elements are more effective and justify their cost.