Which level 4 monster is the best? — Polls

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Crusader

10.8% 7 votes

Sniper

33.8% 22 votes

Silver Pegasus

3.1% 2 votes

Archmage

1.5% 1 vote

horned demon

0% 0 votes

vampire lord

35.4% 23 votes

Queen Medusa

6.2% 4 votes

Ogre Mage

4.6% 3 votes

Great Basilisk

0% 0 votes

energy elemental

3.1% 2 votes

golden golem

1.5% 1 vote

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65RUS

11/8/2007 8:56 AM UTC

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For me, Snipers are the best, followed by Pegasuses, and then Archmages...

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Ley

11/8/2007 11:32 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player;124926

I just checked, and it's true that the Vampire Lord defeats the Golem. I apologize if I misled anyone. It seems that retaliatory strike and speed are very important!
However, in a battle of 210 vs. 210 (7 units of 30 creatures each), Golems win, I checked it on auto-battle.
The Golem's stats are certainly good, I must say.

Retaliatory strike is an amazing bonus! Speed is a plus, but not so significant... (there are examples where a unit with retaliatory strike won a battle, even though the priority was with its opponent).
However, in a battle of 210 vs. 210 (5 units of 42 creatures each), which gives 10500 experience, Golems lose, both in a regular auto-battle and in an auto-battle within the battle itself. :)
The Golem's stats are good, but they can't do anything against Vampire Lords. :)

Sincerely.

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Dirty_Player

11/8/2007 1:01 PM UTC

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Ley;125195

The golem's stats are good, but they can't do anything against Vampire Lords. :)

Of course, Vampire Lords are stronger, but that's an overstatement!
In my opinion, golems have a chance, albeit a small one, but it still exists!

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Ley

11/8/2007 2:49 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player;125219

Of course, Vampire Lords are stronger, but that's an overstatement!
In my opinion, only golems have a chance, albeit a small one, but they still have a chance!

Listen, I already understand that you have a personal fondness for Golden Golems, but the fact remains that they have absolutely no chance, and I have no idea how you even tested that. IMO, not IMO, but in this example, i.e., in the confrontation of 4th-level units, no creature can oppose the Vampire Lords, not even the slightest chance. I don't favor Vampire Lords (my preference is for Ogres), but they are rightfully the strongest among their levels.

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Kamikaze

11/8/2007 3:00 PM UTC

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Snipers are unmatched. But I want to point out that these guys are still neutral, so they stand apart.
As for castle units, Vampires will fight on equal footing (and in most cases, win) only against Crusaders. They will crush the rest. And even Golems...

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ОMEGA

11/8/2007 3:33 PM UTC

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From the castle units, Vampires will only be able to fight on equal terms with Crusaders (and in most cases, they will win). They will crush the rest. Even Golems...

Not just with Crusaders (although this is my favorite unit in the game, but we need to be realistic). Ogres can also put up a decent fight against Vampires - they have a lot of hit points, high attack, plus Bloodlust, but the rest are just easy prey.

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Ley

11/8/2007 3:38 PM UTC

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Not just against Crusaders (although that's my favorite unit in the game, but we need to be realistic). Ogres can also put up a decent fight against vampires – they have a lot of hit points, high attack power, plus Bloodlust, while the rest are just easy prey.

Ogres are cool guys, I agree. Their damage is almost twice as high as that of vampires. But they will still lose to vampires, and Crusaders won't be able to put up much of a fight against them. Personally, for me (I checked this by fighting between level 4 units), 1st place goes to the Vampire Lord, 2nd place to Crusaders and Archmages, and 3rd place to the Ogre Mage (I'm not taking neutral units into account). That's how it is...:)

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Dirty_Player

11/8/2007 3:51 PM UTC

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2Ley
I tested it like this. 7 units of 30 each. I attack vampires, 7 units of 30 each. The battle begins. I press "A", and the golems win!
However, you convinced me that vampires are stronger and will defeat the golems.

ОMEGA

11/8/2007 3:52 PM UTC

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Yes, I just checked. Autobattle with 8 Ogres, Cruisers, and Vampires. The Vampires defeated both the Ogres and the Cruisers, but the Cruisers killed one Vampire, while the Ogres didn't. And the Cruisers defeated the Ogres. Also, it turns out that Ogres don't apply Bloodlust to themselves...

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Ley

11/8/2007 3:57 PM UTC

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Dirty_Player;125311

2Ley
I tested it like this. 7 units of 30. I attack vampires, 7 units of 30. The battle begins. I press "A" and the golems win!
However, you convinced me that vampires are stronger and will defeat the golems.

I'm very glad that I convinced you :) (this is just a lyrical digression...)
Actually, I don't even know how to make it so that the opponent (golden golems) has 7 stacks of 30 units each..., because when attacking them with a level 4 unit in the same quantity as they have, they become 5 stacks of 42 - I pressed "A" - the vampires won. How did you manage to have 7 stacks, unless you placed the hero in the editor, and the troops are located exactly like that on the map.

P.S. and imagine how the computer struggles with auto-battle? If you also participate, then...:D

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Dirty_Player

11/8/2007 4:07 PM UTC

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Ley;125316

P.S. Imagine how the AI struggles in auto-battle? And if you control them yourself, it's even worse...:D

Well, I won't argue with that. I understand that if Vampires are controlled by a player, Golems simply have no chance!!
P.S.: Here's the map I used to test it!

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Ley

11/8/2007 4:24 PM UTC

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2 Dirty_Player: See, this test was conducted by pitting two heroes against each other, as I suspected. In this situation, the vampires really did win, and it's hard to explain how. Perhaps the computer's actions depend entirely on the obstacles on the battlefield, or maybe there's something else we don't know... In my example, I simply placed 3 monsters (vampires, snipers, and golems, which naturally join), 2 castles, and 2 heroes with 0 stats and no artifacts or secondary skills. So, if you add vampires and attack the golems, the golems lose in auto-battle. I had a similar discussion with Kamikaze, but in the case of archers, specifically great elves (100 of them) and cyclops kings (24 of them); sometimes one side would win, sometimes the other (but only when the elves shot first - otherwise, the question wasn't considered).

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РУХ-ЧУДИЩЕ-ОГР

11/8/2007 5:12 PM UTC

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I don't see the logic here... and so what if you don't have to fight the guardians? First, the Sniper is a neutral unit, and second, he appears in the game sporadically. What's the point of discussing him now?

That's right... I agree with that too... And besides, if you're going to include the Sniper, then you should also include the Troll))) And a Troll will tear a Vampire apart in a 1v1 fight. And in general, the strongest is the Vampire. The most useful is the Ogre. Since I'm a Barbarian, Ogres are the best!!!

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Troll, Troll, and one more time, Troll.

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Dirty_Player

11/8/2007 5:18 PM UTC

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Ley;125335

2 Dirty_Player:
See, this test was conducted by pitting two heroes against each other, as I suspected. In this situation, the vampires really did win, and it's hard to explain how. Perhaps the computer's actions depend entirely on the obstacles on the battlefield, or maybe there's something else we don't know...

That's strange, the map is the same, the terrain is the same. But does it depend on who you're playing as and what path you're attacking from? I'm playing as the orange faction and attacking in a straight line! What about you?

Levitat

11/8/2007 5:19 PM UTC

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Vampires are the strongest, Snipers are good, but they have low health. I also like Silvers with Basilisks. The former are fast, and there are always a lot of the latter with Bron!