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Male or female – it doesn't matter. War is evil. Let it stay within the confines of our computer screens. :o

Make love, not war (c)
Подмосковный рейнджер, не ведающий стаха
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yes, war is a fun game for those who started it, but do you know that during World War II, in Veliky Novgorod, our people burned their own people alive, thereby fueling hatred towards the Germans, and the Germans were actually quite decent. That's what war is like.

And I, on the other hand, am involved in military and field work in the rear.
ХОЧЕШЬ ОБРЕСТИ ВЕЧНОСТЬ ?? ДОБРО ПОЖАЛОВАТЬ В Клан "Вампиры"-"Vampires":
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Yes, war is a fun game for those who started it, but did you know that during World War II, in Veliky Novgorod, our people burned their own people alive, thereby fueling hatred towards the Germans, and the Germans were actually quite decent.
What nonsense... Is this a joke or are you serious? :)
Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.
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That's utter nonsense. Hitler was a scoundrel, and any decent person would have killed him on sight, although it must be acknowledged that he was very intelligent and did a lot of good for Germany. And there's no need to talk about Germans being fools; that's absurd. The USSR wasn't much better.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
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That's nonsense... Is this a joke, or are you serious? :)
This isn't nonsense; there's proof. There's a film about it, although it's old. It's called "Come and See." And I wasn't talking about Hitler; I was talking about ordinary German soldiers.
ХОЧЕШЬ ОБРЕСТИ ВЕЧНОСТЬ ?? ДОБРО ПОЖАЛОВАТЬ В Клан "Вампиры"-"Vampires":
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This isn't nonsense; it's proof. The film is true, although it's old; it's called "Come and See." And it wasn't about Hitler; I was talking about ordinary German soldiers.

I watched the film. :) The Russians were the ones doing the "burning" (sorry for the pun). But they weren't burning their own people; they were burning Germans, and even then, they shot them first. And they also burned traitors along with them. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. They deserved it.
And it wasn't about Hitler; I was talking about ordinary German soldiers.

Soldiers are not all the same. Of course, most Germans probably wouldn't have been thrilled with what their command was doing. But you forget that all the atrocities (when they made soap from people, etc.) weren't widely publicized. It all came out later, when the USSR and the Allies got their hands on the materials related to this...

Secondly, there were the SS, executioners, and other monsters – troops of a completely different category. In my opinion, this is the same as gathering a battalion of maniacs and arming them with excellent weapons, calling them elite units. These people really understood what they were doing, and they were completely sane when they destroyed innocent people. It's not surprising that by the end of the war, most of them rushed to get rid of their black SS uniforms, and the "cuckoos" (by the way, see the film of the same name) were specifically dressed in SS uniforms so that they wouldn't suddenly have the desire to surrender.

Apparently, the Russians (and not only them) had good reasons to hate them...
Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.
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I meant calculating the trajectories of artillery shells, and for that, knowledge of mathematics is necessary, not just moving artillery pieces from one place to another – there are trucks for that.

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And who uses cannons these days? It's not World War II anymore (at least not in developed countries). Everywhere, there are multiple launch rocket systems ("Grad" and others).
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The fact that there were good people among the German soldiers is undeniable and has been written about in many books about the war.
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis
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I watched the movie. :) It showed that Russians were really "burning" (sorry for the pun) Germans, but only after shooting them first. And along with them, they also executed traitors. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. They deserved it.


Soldiers are not all the same. Of course, most Germans probably wouldn't have been thrilled with what their command was doing. But you forget that all the atrocities (when they made soap from people, etc.) weren't widely publicized. It all came out later, when the USSR and the Allies got their hands on the materials related to this...

Secondly, there were the SS, executioners, and other monsters – troops of a completely different category. In my opinion, this is the same as gathering a battalion of maniacs and arming them with excellent weapons, calling them elite units. These people really understood what they were doing, and they were completely sane when they destroyed innocent people. It's not surprising that by the end of the war, most of them rushed to get rid of their black SS uniforms, and "cuckoos" (by the way, see the movie of the same name) were specifically dressed in SS uniforms so that they wouldn't suddenly have the desire to surrender.

Apparently, the Russians (and not only them) had good reasons to hate them...
That's why the movie didn't show the whole truth, or they would have cut it. And the fact that our soldiers committed atrocities during the war was only revealed to the public many years later. We will still learn many more things....
ХОЧЕШЬ ОБРЕСТИ ВЕЧНОСТЬ ?? ДОБРО ПОЖАЛОВАТЬ В Клан "Вампиры"-"Vampires":
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And who uses cannons these days – it’s not World War II after all (at least in developed countries). Everywhere, there are multiple launch rocket systems (“Grad” and others).

They still use them. :)
And, by the way, in developed countries too... Modern anti-tank guns, for example, are much more effective and expensive than non-kinetic means of fighting tanks – missile systems, etc.
Besides, there could be a war in the mountains, where practice has shown the low effectiveness of multiple launch rocket systems. There, it is much more important to hit a specific target, rather than cover a large area with missiles. There are also mortars... :)
Land aus Blut im Aschenregen,
Wüst und leer und ohne Segen.
Hier bin ich durch dich gefangen,
Muss für dich durchs Feuer gehen.
Du siehst mich in Flammen stehen,
Glühend will ich dich empfangen.
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Yes, war is a fun game for those who started it, but do you know that in World War II, in Veliky Novgorod, our people burned their own alive, thereby fueling hatred towards the Germans, and in reality, the Germans were actually good guys. That's what war is like.

And I, for example, worked in the rear as a military field worker.
So, I accidentally stumbled upon this topic and was simply amazed. Well, the fact that not everything was normal in the Soviet Union is understandable, but the phrase "the Germans were actually good guys":eek: – is this some new perspective of the current youth? Who knows, in a couple of decades, we might even end up being considered occupiers.
Information or someone's subjective views can always be found regarding any topic. But to express oneself, and especially to draw conclusions, relying on only one source, is not quite the right approach.
С самого начала позаботься о своем месте в жизни, чтобы не уподобиться маятнику. /Херберт. Ф./
Клан: "Смертельный Альянс" - "Mortal Alliance"
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I disagree with the statement that anti-tank guns are more expensive. A gun is still a gun, while a multiple launch rocket system is an entire, expensive system.
And then it would be easier to destroy tanks not with anti-tank guns, but from the air – with airplanes or helicopters – a tank won't even have time to turn its turret before it's destroyed.
And in general, in the modern world, almost no one fights with tanks. ;) Unless you consider Israel's occasional deployment of tanks in Palestinian territories or the US capture of Baghdad in April 2003. Well, and now there may be tanks in Baghdad, but they won't be able to do anything in real street battles – they are too cumbersome.
P. S. We've started a real discussion on a military topic:D We've completely strayed from the original topic:D But that's okay:) In this topic, you can chat and even deviate from the original topic.
By the way, I also saw these photos, which are posted at the beginning, on one site, but I won't name it so as not to advertise it.

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Yes, all people are basically good. During World War II, some people on the German side were forced to obey Hitler's criminal orders. Of course, not everyone considered them criminal, some carried them out willingly. Although, on Stalin's side, some orders were also criminal...;

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I completely agree with you:) For example, I was taught differently at school
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War is a fun game for those who started it, but did you know that during World War II, in Veliky Novgorod, our people burned their own alive, thereby fueling hatred towards the Germans, while the Germans were actually quite decent. That's what war is like.
Good Lord, it's unbelievable what you're saying...
Do you know which side your ancestors fought on in World War II?
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Good Lord, what you're saying is just unbelievable...
Do you know which side your ancestors fought on in World War II?
I'm just sharing what I heard. Unfortunately, I don't remember which documentary about World War II it was. And I heard it not from my relatives, but from people who actually fought in the war. I was shocked when I learned this. I can assure you, I didn't make it up.
ХОЧЕШЬ ОБРЕСТИ ВЕЧНОСТЬ ?? ДОБРО ПОЖАЛОВАТЬ В Клан "Вампиры"-"Vampires":
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Yes, war is a fun game for those who started it, but do you know that in World War II, in Veliky Novgorod, our people burned their own alive, thereby fueling hatred towards the Germans, and the Germans were actually quite decent. That's what war is like.

And I, for example, worked in the rear, doing military-field work.
You know, I was born and live in Veliky Novgorod, and I want to say that nothing like that happened! If it had, we would definitely know about it... But this is the first time I've heard of it... nonsense, nonsense, and more nonsense!!! Don't talk nonsense! We defended the approaches to besieged Leningrad... Even now, every year, thousands of remains of soldiers are found in the swamps - real heroes of the Great Patriotic War. WE KNOW WHAT THIS VICTORY COST US!!! The city was reduced to rubble... And they definitely didn't burn their own people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First, check such "information." :mad: :mad: :mad:
Если тебе не везёт в жизни, - играй в какую-нибудь другую игру:rolleyes:
Лидер клана "Из многих единое"

Приключения – это сплошные неприятности, только про них почему-то потом интересно вспоминать...
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