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Offline Qwerty
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1. Troop placement, mana, morale, and luck are taken from the player's final save.
2. If BOTH players whose "gladiators" participate in the "arena" achieve the same battle results, the judge will most likely agree with that outcome.
3. The art of conducting an online battle is not important. What matters are the hero's stats, magic, and the ability to use it, and, of course, the army.

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2. Regarding "everyone wants it." I'm not sure that's true. In particular, I'm interested in the opinions of VDV_forever, IronAxe, vbn, vbs, Alex_R, Kyle, Zingel, Fireball.
Based on my experience, I can say that you won't get comments from all these people in this thread.
But when the tournament starts, everyone will join in. ;)

I, for example, would be happy to participate in this tournament.

Sincerely.

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I would also like to know the opinions of VDV_forever and vbn...

I'll say it right away - I will only post the map after the tournament is over.
I need help checking the saves for cheats; I can handle everything else myself.

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I can help with checking save files...
If the save files are daily, I can estimate the fairness of the game. But if it's just the final save file, I don't know how to access it and check it for cheats, etc.
The most obvious method is clear to me... I meant how experts check only the final save file for (fairness).
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The simplest method, which catches 90% of cheaters, is to finish the game and then check the leaderboard – if it says "cheater," it means cheats were used; if a rank is given, it means standard cheats were not used.

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And how would you detect ArtMoney in such a case?
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Therefore, it's impossible to do it directly. However, an experienced player who has played through the map can understand that "something is wrong here," and then they can figure it out by examining the daily save files.

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So, is there still a possibility of getting something for free through deception? All that remains is to believe in someone's honest word..., although everyone knows each other, and besides, an experienced player is unlikely to engage in such activities...
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So, is there still a possibility of deceiving someone without any compensation? All that remains is to believe in someone's honest word..., although everyone knows each other, and besides, an experienced player is unlikely to do this...
Of course, someone can cheat... especially if you don't check, but I'm almost 100% sure that you can check the entire economy using daily saves and repeat 99% of the battles... otherwise, you can request a description of the battle (that could not be repeated)... and even in that case, you can determine whether this battle is real or not...
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Of course, they can cheat... especially if you don't check, but I'm almost 100% sure that you can check the entire economy and replay 99% of the battles using daily saves... otherwise, you can request a description of the battle (that could not be repeated)... and even in that case, you can determine whether this battle is real or not...

Alexander, you've already started talking about the fact that they can only attempt to cheat, and not actually commit the act (i.e., without moments where the cheat itself could be noticed). Of course, it's unlikely that you can select all the battles yourself (like morale, luck, and all that...), but what if you use such a program to add 2-3 creatures (a relatively small number) and win the battle with their help, citing morale as the reason? Is there a 100% way to verify this example, or am I missing something...? :)
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The bitter experience from arena-focused Tournaments shows that, while interesting, this idea is very time-consuming, lengthy, and possibly even "conflict-prone," as Qwerty rightly said, and I completely agree with him! 1) I don't have time for an arena-focused Tournament, to be honest, because I'm currently running two Heroes 1 Tournaments, a Heroes 3 map contest, followed by preparing a Heroes 3 Tournament (Best of the Best), and in addition to that, I'm also participating in many other Tournaments. 2) I'm confident that the quorum will be even larger than 10 people, but the HUGE amount of work involved in checking saves, distributing arenas, explaining to each participant what to do with them, and identifying the winners (professionally, and to avoid conflicting questions/answers from the participants) is significant. I am also convinced that only one organizer should run a Tournament of this kind, and that person should also make the final decision (to avoid disagreements between the organizers themselves), etc. 3) Verdict. If a Tournament of this kind is to be held, it should only be after the new year (during the holidays), when people will have time (both organizers and participants), and doing everything "in a rush" seems impractical. P.S. To the participants: What's wrong with speed/skill/resource gathering Tournaments? Sincerely, VDV_forever
Единый справочник по Героям Меча и Магии

ТУРНИРЫ ПО ГЕРОЯМ 1!:smile13:
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3) Verdict. If a tournament of this kind is to be held, it should only be after the New Year (during the holidays), when people will have time (both organizers and participants), and doing everything in a rush, I think, would be impractical.

Here, in my opinion, there is nothing to argue against. While you and many other forum members are busy, there is still a possibility to implement the idea, but I don't think it's worth rushing...
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I am also convinced that a tournament of this kind should be organized by only one person, and the final decision should also be made by him (to avoid disagreements between the organizers), etc.

But here I don't quite agree... In my humble opinion, there should be "assistants" (a total of 3 jury members) to help with checking saves (at least) and resolving controversial issues. For example, if these two judges dispute the decision of the main judge, then such a question should be raised for consideration again, and it will also be easier for the organizer... :)
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P.S. to participants: What's wrong with speed/skill/resource gathering Tournaments?

And who said that we don't like them ;) ? I'm all for it!

Sincerely, Ley.
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In short, I see the situation as follows:
1. If an arena is to be held, it should be approximately from December 21, 2007, to January 21, 2008, inclusive (many forum members will have a large number of days off).
2. If a tournament is to be held before this date, please provide approximate dates and we can discuss the format.

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Could we organize a tournament for November? For example, a tournament where players collect skeletons...

I can host it if someone helps with the map. ;)

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Could we organize a tournament for November? For example, a skeleton-collecting competition...

I can host it if you help with the map... ;)

And what kind of map are you looking for? I have a couple of ideas... :)
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