Problems with Heroes of Might and Magic IV. — General

Zybr

9/12/2007 1:52 PM UTC

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There's no argument against a human player. But against the AI, its heroes rarely reach level 5. If you equip a level 20 hero with good artifacts, they can defeat a level 4 hero. I had a level 15 rogue defeat a dragon lord one-on-one :)

He might defeat one monster, maybe, but then it means that his skills are only developed in combat, i.e., when there are monsters that the hero CAN'T handle, then an army will be needed that won't receive any advantages from the hero's presence, and will most likely suffer losses...
P.S. The AI is certainly dumb, but not so dumb as to pit level 20 heroes against only level 5 heroes.

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General ZeT

10/5/2007 7:09 AM UTC

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I've identified the main problem with the fourth installment. It's the "haters." I'm new to the Heroes world, but I've already read a lot of negative reviews about this game. We need to fight against this! If you don't like this game, just forget about it and stop criticizing it. As a fan of the fourth installment, I don't like this, and I will fight against it! I don't understand why fans of Heroes 4 tolerate this and remain silent. I will do everything I can to protect my favorite installment from negative words and unfair criticism from those who dislike it. If you don't like it, that doesn't give you the right to speak badly about it. Even if you're new to the Heroes world, that doesn't justify it. I don't like many things, but I don't criticize other installments or other games. You should have respect for the opinions and preferences of others!

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IronAxe

10/5/2007 9:30 AM UTC

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I've found the main problem with the fourth installment. It's the "haters." I'm new to the Heroes world, but I've already read a lot of negative reviews about this game. This needs to be addressed! If you don't like this game, then forget about it and stop bashing it. As a fan of the fourth game, I don't like this, and I will fight against it! I don't understand why fans of Heroes 4 tolerate this and stay silent. I will do everything to protect my favorite installment of Heroes from unfair words and biased opinions. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to speak badly about it. Even if you're new to the Heroes world, I don't like a lot of things, but I don't bash other installments or other games. You should have respect for the opinions and preferences of others!

:) Exactly. And I've played all versions and still play them, and I know what I'm talking about, so I have a better understanding than many of the strengths and weaknesses of each version in terms of playability, and I have my own opinion on this, but I stay silent, and I only start criticizing other versions when I see some overly zealous fans of the third game bashing the fourth game, and mostly these are people who not only haven't played all the versions, but I haven't even seen them have any decent results in any version or in any tournament. If I'm wrong, let these people provide links where I can see their results in tournaments. Strong players of the third game, I know some, they don't bash the fourth game (at least not publicly, and they are more careful in their statements). Opinions and preferences, as well as criticism, should be at least somewhat substantiated. Otherwise, it all boils down to something like: "I don't like the graphics - the faces are ugly - this isn't Heroes at all. And in general, I'm a noob and I can't play any of the versions properly and I'm not going to learn, so I don't participate in any tournaments!" :)

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General ZeT

10/5/2007 9:41 AM UTC

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:) Exactly. And I've played all the versions and still do, and I think I know the strengths and weaknesses of each version better than many, regarding playability, and I have my own opinion on this, but I keep quiet, and I only start criticizing other versions when I see some overly zealous fans of the third game bashing the fourth, and mostly these are people who haven't even played all the versions, let alone achieved any decent results in any version or tournament. If I'm wrong, let these people provide links where I can see their tournament results. There are strong players of the third game, and they don't bash the fourth (or at least not publicly, and they are more careful in their statements). Opinions and preferences, as well as criticism, should be at least somewhat substantiated. Otherwise, it all boils down to something like: "I don't like the graphics - the faces are ugly - this isn't a real Heroes game. And actually, I'm a noob and I can't play any of the versions properly, and I'm not going to learn, so I don't participate in any tournaments!" :)

I completely agree with you. And in my opinion, if a message appears with a negative opinion about Heroes 4, that message should be deleted, and the sender should be warned. Such actions should be suppressed! Because they don't respect the opinions of fans of Heroes 4.

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IronAxe

10/5/2007 9:47 AM UTC

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I completely agree with you. And in my opinion, if a message with a negative opinion about Heroes 4 appears, that message should be deleted, and the sender should be given a warning. Such actions need to be suppressed! Because they do not respect the opinions of fans of Heroes 4.

:) You don't necessarily have to delete it. Instead, you can politely respond in a similar tone, which might discourage them from writing similar things in the future. And the response can serve as a lesson to others who might think the same way, if they even bother to read it. :)

General ZeT

10/5/2007 9:53 AM UTC

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I will continue to do so. I won't let this go, and anyone who speaks negatively about Heroes 4 will receive plenty of "kind" words about their opinions!!!

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Arandor

10/5/2007 10:15 AM UTC

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yeah... and if you read the first page, you can see that the topic was created for something else))) people are sharing their bugs and stuff... but it seems someone just enjoyed creating another topic, or someone simply merged them)))

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IronAxe

10/5/2007 12:22 PM UTC

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Yes... and if you read the first page, you can see that the topic was created for something else. It was meant for people to share their bugs and so on. But apparently, someone just enjoyed creating another topic, or someone simply merged them.

I think that the fourth game doesn't have such problems. Most of the bugs there are actually features that make the game more interesting, with the exception of some that are clearly bugs, like monsters shifting positions or getting into/out of a boat using the spacebar. But there's also this other thing, and I think I saw it in Equilibrium, or maybe in Vortex, where they exploited a bug with the spacebar to get into a boat. However, now you can get into a boat using regular actions without losing the boat's turn. I mean, a group is already in the boat, and I can add more units of the same type without using the spacebar, and the boat won't lose its turn and will continue sailing. I haven't seen any restrictions on this. It doesn't fall under the restriction with the spacebar, and it's not about getting into the boat, but rather about joining it. It's like the boat has already started moving, and the latecomers catch up and jump in – why should the boat slow down because of that?

Kamikaze

10/5/2007 2:22 PM UTC

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Maybe it's silly to criticize something you don't know much about, just because you don't like it. But, in reality, too many people speak negatively about the fourth installment.
And you have to take into account the opinion of the majority.
Although, I believe that if you want to find positive aspects, you can find them, and the same goes for negative ones.

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IronAxe

10/5/2007 3:37 PM UTC

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Kamikaze;116776

Maybe it's silly to speak negatively about something you don't know much about, just because you don't like it. But, in reality, too many people speak negatively about the fourth installment.

The thing is, many of these people don't know how to play the fourth game. :) And I doubt they are good at the games they praise! If I'm wrong, let them enter tournaments and beat us :)

Kamikaze;116776

But you have to consider the opinion of the majority.

I would consider the opinion of even one person if they were a great player of both versions and could compare them. But considering the opinion of the majority is not always a good idea. History and practice show that this is not always correct :) And sometimes you have to pay for it later :)

Romanuel

10/15/2007 8:50 PM UTC

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I didn't understand the main point: does a current list of bugs for Heroes of Might and Magic IV exist? All the information I found dates back to 2004 at the latest, or it's scattered in bits and pieces.

Romanuel

10/20/2007 9:32 PM UTC

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[QUOTE]
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You move a unit closer – it stands on the fog of war – an exchange window appears – at the top – a tombstone – in the bottom row – the unit. Here, you press the spacebar – the rows switch places. Now, from the bottom row, you drag the tombstone to the top with the mouse and exit the window. The unit is standing there – the tombstone is in its inventory – monsters will not attack it UNTIL the turn changes. The unit cannot move away from the monsters on its own. There are three ways to save the hero:
1. move the tombstone away.
2. jump with the unit, dragging it together with the tombstone in the unit exchange window from the top row to the bottom.
3. move an auxiliary unit closer and bump into the unit standing with the tombstone, pulling it out from under the monsters together with the tombstone or just the tombstone, whichever you prefer ;)[/QUOTE]

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2DDarkKnight

10/21/2007 9:32 AM UTC

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I tried it myself a long time ago, and it's a great thing! I can also share a tip on how to overwhelm neutral creatures without losses: Take a hero (with decent spells), attack the neutral creatures, and keep attacking them until reinforcements arrive. Then, use "Portal to Town" or just run away. Repeat this until you win (it's very helpful in the early stages of the game when you need to defeat level 4 creatures).

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IronAxe

10/21/2007 11:53 AM UTC

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I tried it a long time ago, and it's a great thing! I can also share a tip on how to overwhelm neutral creatures without losses:
Take a hero (with decent spells), attack the neutral creatures, and keep attacking them until reinforcements arrive. Then, use "Portal to Town" or just escape. Repeat this until you win (this is very helpful in the early stages of the game when you need to defeat level 4 creatures).

:) It's better to attack until they're dead. Then, take the corpses to your fortress. When escaping in the 4th game, unlike the 3rd, the hero loses movement points - this is a disadvantage when escaping. With the corpses, you won't lose movement points, but the downside is that you can't take artifacts into battle, otherwise the monsters will take them after the first victory. But in the early stages of the game, there usually aren't that many good artifacts. And regarding the portal to town - where do you get it in the early stages of the game? And it's better to save mana. But all of this works well when the monsters are near your fortress.