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The fact that we won then doesn't negate the overall approach to the issue: the town doesn't reveal the role even when it's directly harmed by it. This is a "problem," in my opinion...

Yeah, not a single town member revealed a role throughout the entire game, and the town lost to the Mafia. Still, it's their fault for executing Mafia members, right? Yeah, right.

Does he even know who your Reaper is? Even if he does, I couldn't possibly have known, according to my version, your Reaper was transferred to me not by a town member, but by myself.

He wasn't transferred by anyone. I don't know if Locken knew who the Reaper was or not, but I think it's not hard to guess that as the number of town members decreased, it wasn't difficult to figure out who the Reaper was (especially considering that the town members were doing checks like a knight).

In general, you're just making up your own theories, and then you're complaining about it. Well, good luck with that. I don't see much point in continuing this conversation.

Well... There are as many opinions as there are people...

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Yeah, he didn't kill a single town member during the entire game, and the town lost because of the mafia, but he's still to blame for executing mafia members, yeah, yeah.

OK. Ment-Ryashchu didn't kill anyone, but Ment-Ruby (or whatever your name was) killed two right after the town refused to hang him.

I had forgotten everything a long time ago, but it seemed to me that I only won once in mana, paired with Nebk – which was, in general, already that mini-mafia that you or someone here suggested, and not a pure maniac.
However, given the many nuances, I won't argue with the fact that the city periodically goes for demonstrably disadvantageous executions. It's quite possible.

I forgot everything a long time ago, but it seemed to me that I only won once with Nebk – which was, in general, already that mini-mafia that you or someone here suggested, and not a pure maniac.

1, 2.

1. By day 3, you're completely exposed and eliminated due to the specifics of the setup. There are 2 competing mafia teams in the game, a combination of townspeople and sharpshooters. There was absolutely no need to keep you alive. And so what? Nothing...

2. By turn 3, you're also eliminated, although not completely. There are a lot of people in the town + sharpshooters. Again, there was no need to keep you alive. And so what? Again, nothing...

P.S. With Neb, you had a mini-mafia team, which is somehow called a maniac team here...

Yashur, you're talking complete nonsense. On the fourth night, I converted my mother into a Knight, clearing the way for your ultimate ability with the monster, but you decided to stay alone and face the city, which had calculated all of you, while my mother was still alive, and you decided to target me, even though I couldn't harm your remaining team at night. I thought we'd balance things out for a couple more days, especially since Lynx and I had prepared the ground for that, but you just gave up and decided to throw the game. Well, that's your choice, and that's where you'll end up.
By the way, we both knew about your mother from the very beginning, but you didn't even think about taking her double vote to have an advantage during the day and thus have the opportunity to push through any agenda. How can we talk about "giving up the victory" to anyone, from any side, if you yourself sabotaged the game for your faction when you had every chance of success?

Yashur, you're talking complete nonsense.

What are you talking about? About the fact that all the "care" for you falls on our shoulders because the "maniac is useful to the city"? I don't think so...

On the fourth night, I transformed my mother into a knight, clearing the way for your ultimate ability on the monster, but you decided to stay alone against the city, which had identified all of you, while my mother was still alive, and you decided to target me, even though I couldn't harm your remaining team at night. I thought we'd balance things out for a couple more days, especially since Lynx and I had prepared the ground for it, but you just gave up and decided to forfeit the game. Well, that's your choice, and that's where it leads you.

I assumed you would act after Lynx's execution against the city. That would have been logical on your part. Although I thought you would transform the reaper into a city unit and go after another target yourself, but that's not the point. An ultimate ability on the mother would only lead to the death of Ment, and that's it. There would be 3 city units + you left. And what would be the result of the execution during the day? Would you have lost the game? Or maybe you would have been hanged? It's clear that after the day, the Angel would appear, because "the city's situation has become very bad, and the maniac is USEFUL," and now "even more useful than before." How would we have eliminated you if both the reaper and the father are well-known? There's no way! There's no hypocrite with an ultimate ability, so there are no obstacles to your redirection either. There's no way to kill you with 2 defenses. So, what were we supposed to hope for? I immediately said, "We keep Loken - he wins 100%, we eliminate him - we win 5% (if they execute the father instead of the monster/reaper), 95% - the city wins (in all other cases)." We chose the second option because we were tired of the mages winning, honestly...

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Well, yes, by using the ultimate ability on Fragment, we would have reduced your defense. But if that was the only defense...

You focused too much on a factor that wasn't a priority for the Mafia at that point.
I initially considered the option of the Reaper targeting me, but it seemed too simplistic and pointless. There aren't many players left in the town, and you mostly know them, but there are still votes and a degree of trust among them. The monster has an ultimate ability that will capture at least two town members and prevent them from being healed – with a living Doctor, who in this lineup will be more of a nuisance to you than at the beginning of the game, and who has additional abilities that ruin plans, and even a possible injury from Vlad would ultimately not hurt you here. You've already lost one ultimate ability by not using it; there's a chance you'll waste the second one as well, especially since the Master has been pushing for the execution of Nebo throughout the game – the next day, they would most likely have hanged him (as happened when you eliminated him). However, with my plan, you would have had four votes, and there would have been many ways for either side to develop the situation. Also, much would have depended on who was killed at night. How many town members would die, would the monster be hanged or not, how many votes would each person have, what abilities would remain, would the serial killer be able to revive a killing role – at this point or the next, the town would have agreed to push for one execution of a Mafia member in order to reduce their protection and keep them under control. Of course, all of this would have required some discussion during the day to convince them, not just one trolling post per day. It's not in the Mafia chat that you should be discussing 100% and 5% probabilities, but during the game. My redirection ability at night only works once and affects everyone at once – the Reaper and a random number of remaining town abilities that hinder me – it won't be enough. With a regular kill, I can't eliminate any of you at all, unless I spend a hundred nights in a row, like an idiot, removing one protection after another.
There is no better move for either of us tonight than the monster's ultimate ability – targeting the Mother, at worst the Doctor, or even me; for the Mafia, there is absolutely no point in targeting me with the Reaper on this particular night if they are aiming for victory – that's how I reasoned, but I overestimated the degree of their involvement. Instead of simply counting the number of remaining players and the number of votes needed for an execution, and finally doing something about the Mother towards the end of the game, you decided to make it easier for the town to get rid of me so that they could simply surrender the next day. Okay, buddy, if you want, you can think that I "gave" the victory to someone, but in my opinion, you lost your will and made a bad move instead of sitting down and thinking. No offense. All this, with the Mafia's abilities buffed to the max and with a normal start. And at the same time, I also made a bad move by relying on you, instead of isolating myself or finally switching the Reaper to a town member.

There's no better move for both of us tonight than the monster's ultimate ability – right on target.

Actually, yes. That night, I spent a long time considering the Mafia's moves and mana, and I assessed the monster's ultimate ability on me, combined with the transformation into a Knight, as the most dangerous for the town. Because of this, I couldn't decide on the Night Kill for a long time, as I was considering skipping my turn. In the end, I decided to take the risk because I wasn't sure if you had figured out the Knight, and I also thought that it would be more reliable for you to steal a vote from the Mafia and let the town play out the monster's ultimate ability however they see fit. I had no doubts about the Mafia's move, even though I understood that in this scenario and with the daytime trends, the Maniac would control the game; I didn't know yet that the Reaper would one-shot you. In fact, it turned out that I wouldn't have been eliminated anyway, thanks to Vladik, and the situation would have been quite ambiguous.

In the end, it turned out that you're dead, and my transformation helped me understand who the Master was, who had successfully confused me the previous day, so the Mafia is also done for.

but with my option, you would have had four votes,

We wouldn't have had 4 votes. The fragment would have survived: The cop would have taken the hit intended for him, after which he would have died himself (at least, Tox said so).

Also, a lot would depend on who was killed at night.

Okay, let's say you killed Humer (in my opinion, the most logical option, since you decided to isolate the Master), and so what? Since Lynx was already eliminated, they wouldn't forget about Heaven either...
OK, one of your defenses was eliminated like a newbie's. Let's say the Reaper stayed home, and your father took out your second defense. And then what? You would have raised Heaven's puppet, and that's it! You would have had another "personal" protector. HOW WOULD YOU BE ELIMINATED???

this time or next time, the villagers would agree to push for one mana execution to reduce his defense and keep him under control.

They didn't do this with 5 people in the group, but with 3, they would definitely decide to do it.

you can consider that he "gave" the victory to someone.

Personally, I didn't "give" anything. I just asked a question in the chat about what to do with you. Everyone except Lynx decided to eliminate you.

but in my opinion, you lost the will.

Here, you are probably right. After the third night, I lost the desire to do anything, especially considering the GM's indifference to the obvious violation of rule 10 by Humer and the Master...

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In fact, it turned out that I wouldn't have been eliminated anyway, thanks to Vladik, and the situation would have been completely ambiguous.

It was written on the Cop's forehead that he would protect you with all his might...

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And Tox, it seems, is high again...:D

They didn't wait for the finale, apparently. :(
Don't worry, we'll discuss everything tomorrow; I'm not ready to post the finale yet. I didn't read past the second page of the thread; I'll read it tomorrow morning after I finish writing.

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Okay, never mind, I'll write something short now; I won't write a long, rambling piece.

Ment had it written all over his face that he would defend you with all his backpacks...

First of all, it was clear from his face that he knew who Gumer was and would support him, so I couldn't reliably count on Ment siding with me instead of him. After what happened earlier that day, I hoped that the execution of the hypocrite would completely clear my name, but at that moment, it was easier for me to predict the actions of the villains than the actions of the other players.

Nah, Fragment. In that situation, it was obvious that the mother was more important than the father. If you had died, we would have had +1 vote, which clearly indicated that Ment would have visited you.

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Especially considering the fact that the death of another hero at the hands of a maniac would have equalized our votes.

Gumer was like a perfect fit for him, but he clearly didn't fully trust me. Can you imagine, he considered Nefelu his mother

Let's discuss this topic. At the very least, I need a separator post to share the log...

Come on, calm down. We played poorly, and the city prefers to have one huge, powerful mafia boss instead of several smaller ones; it happens.