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zoog
6 years ago
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LuckyF
But most old players, I'm sure, switched for a completely different reason.
I'm that guy from Uzbekistan, let me clarify: the issue isn't the amount of 3 dollars, but the difficulty of sending them; you either need a Visa Gold or send it unofficially through someone.
IMHO they switched for the same reason they play Jebus Cross - lots of troops, sprinkled with goodies, you feel like a god, crushing everything in the first few days. PvP-like templates, on the other hand, are just geared towards results/sportsmanship; 2nd level, 9 stacks at the start objectively reduce randomness, auto-bans everywhere like in Europe.
Many anti-SoD-ites are like Hitler, the same negativity from bad roads in this your sectarian outdated Soviet-Rash.

Iamsamstan
Firstly, I'd start by saying that the top players in SoD and Hota are practically the same people, or thereabouts; this suggests that at the very least, the same people understand the gameplay of both versions better than others.
I'd even guarantee that if you transplanted all HeroesWorld players to Diablo/CS, the rankings would change insignificantly; wit and motivation are the main skills in any endeavor.
Secondly, regarding SoD's non-linearity, the vast majority plays on 6lm10a
It's hard to call that a problem with SoD. I don't know what's wrong with these people, why eat a cactus. Well, run a generator, look at 10-20-30 layouts - /topic/at/737799/
Thirdly, (firstly) the Hota generator completely outperforms the SoD generator. Many people on streams don't even understand what a "block" on the road is and mistake any level 1-2 neutrals standing on the road for one, while in SoD there are blocks of strong monsters everywhere that are impossible to break through without losses.
Not a problem, we'll make a plugin so that every hero gets Artifact of the elements from the start, we'll live large.
Fourthly, I don't really understand why not make it 100% 3 stacks in SoD; after all, it makes the start easier for any Castle.
It was done, but even 2 guaranteed stacks were rejected by militant Old Believers. A province thing, they didn't get it..
Sixthly, it's stupid to criticize one version or another, because everyone has already decided what to play, and those who say, I'm fundamentally for Hota and against SoD, are far fewer than those who are true SoD-ers.
Let's say tomorrow the government says: children of mixed origin and their parents get 10k$ a year. In about 20 years you'll be in a zoo, but it's stupid to blame anyone: it's all fair, everyone chose for themselves.
MerlinTheMagician
It really does resemble a sect - the lack of optionality and the ability to disable Hota's innovations (as was implemented in WT - the ability to play WT under SoD).
This is called anal fencing - The Master wanted only Hota, without the possibility for SoD players to use the lobby's features.
Wicc
The common principle everywhere was the same - the truest version is not the canon from 1999, but the version that is accepted in competitive tournaments.
Those games are for balance and sport, but Heroes is a different class of game, for gameplay and atmosphere. These two don't intersect afaik; you make it balanced - you get chess or modern games where it's impossible to build an unplayable class/skill combo, you always win everywhere; you make a story - you get (as in life) strong and weak options.
Russel_lDHl
No matter how many times I tried to force myself to switch to Hota, it only made me want to delete the game
It took me 3 times, and only because I got tired of waiting 4 hours for an opponent in SoD.
Ben80
So essentially an "improved SoD" had already been "created" multiple times - it's just that for various reasons the created versions don't satisfy everyone.
That's normal: for example, not all Tolkien fans accept fan-made porn based on LotR as canon.
o1dboy79
it's just old age
the ability to step out of your comfort zone and learn new things decreases every year
Or aesthetics. You can always call a person who doesn't accept rap / AUE / LGBT / skinny jeans@lumber-beard old. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those, I treat gay people normally).
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Marcus Aurelius
6 years ago
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Why aren't Yara's streams displayed on heroes3.tv?
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Grando
6 years ago
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heroes3.tv doesn't seem to be able to capture many streams from Twitch. There's also a bug with saving the Twitch address setting – heroes3.tv stopped saving the string at some point. You enter it, but it adds some random characters when saving.
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ЯR
6 years ago
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Marcus Aurelius
Why aren't Yara's streams displayed on heroes3.tv?

because I don't stream on GG, there's a bug with that.
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Grando
6 years ago
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I'll try again.
If Twitch streams could be properly integrated, there would be no need to use GameGamer.
So, the bug is still that Twitch streams are not being integrated correctly.
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=Lizard=
6 years ago
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I don't stream on GG either, only on Twitch. And I've never had any bugs; it always displays correctly on x3tv.
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cocaine
6 years ago
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Gomungulus's Cheating in FFA (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=13h05m45s)

Hello everyone.
I want to raise the issue of Gomungulus's unacceptable behavior in yesterday's FFA tournament, because I simply can't calmly watch what's happening.

So, here's what happened.

1) Here's Gomungulus's turn:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=13h00m32s
On his turn, Gom does the following:
a) Hires Luna in the tavern, gives her artifacts for a hit-and-run build with Armageddon;
b) Hit-and-runs Savitar's main hero with Luna;
c) Teleports his two main heroes (Dessa and Adel) to another respawn point and takes over the enemy town;
d) Puts both of his main heroes in defense;
e) His timer runs out, and he PASSES THE TURN!


2) Suddenly and "unexpectedly," Gomungulus (and who else?) experiences a crash (how convenient and, most importantly, timely), everyone reloads, and

3) Gom, as if nothing had happened, makes the following turn:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669672890?t=13h17m40s
a) Hires a hero with high spell power in the tavern for a hit-and-run build with Armageddon (Kasmetra);
b) Hit-and-runs Savitar's main hero with her. The damage to Savitar's army is almost the same as with Luna, and this is important!

--- up to this point, he seems to be doing the same things as before ---

c) SUDDENLY,
- when the timer is no longer pressing, and there is no need to make less effective decisions in a hurry (which he did then),
- when the entire turn is already known (because he has already made it),
- and the opponent's scouting has already been done on the previous turn before the crash (!),
Gom, instead of, as he did last time (when there was no scouting and the timer was pressing!), teleporting his main heroes to another respawn point, taking over the town, and defending in the city, as he did before the crash, he, SUDDENLY,
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d) Takes Adel (his second main hero), and hit-and-runs with her using Armageddon;
e) Then puts on shackles and attacks Savitar's main hero with Dessa (Gom's main hero).

Now the question is: what is this?
Kasmetra's hit-and-run damage to Savitar's main hero's army was almost identical to the damage Luna inflicted in the turn before the crash.
That is, there were no prerequisites for attacking with the main heroes! Savitar's army has not decreased significantly (literally by a few units) to decide to make a completely different turn!



I believe that this was completely unacceptable behavior towards the tournament players on the part of Gomungulus, and it is even a violation of the rules(!), because:
he, having already scouted the opponent, and no longer under pressure from the timer, without any reason, makes a completely different, much more effective(!) turn, which decides the outcome of the entire match!

Before the crash, a final attack was not planned, but, making this turn and without the pressure of the timer, Gom realized his mistake in the game (that he needed to attack, not run to defend in another respawn point), after (a very convenient crash, by the way), Gom sets up a final attack on favorable terms for himself. Without any reason, because this turn, compared to the turn before the crash, did not make any significant changes.

I remind you that the crash did not happen during the turn, but after Gom had already made his turn!

And on top of that, he is still provoking another player, against whom incorrect actions are taking place and who is not at all to blame!
Now tell me, why should other players put up with this and what will happen next? Will we just SWALLOW IT AGAIN, or is it time to do something?


And here are a couple of "interesting" observations:
- Convenient crashes (who said they were intentional?);
- Incredible jumps in the dark (who said it was streamsniping?);
- He immediately hid the video of the stream from this FFA and it cannot be viewed. Well, we'll wait for the cleaned and edited version on YouTube in a while);
- and other delights constantly happen in Gom's matches, which I have been observing for more than one year.

And, for some reason, this incredibly skilled Gom instantly flies out of the CIS in the first ranks,
and in the lobby, Gomungulus's rating is at the very bottom. Is it because in the lobby many of the opponents are noobs and don't stream?) But this is just a lyrical digression.
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o1dboy79
6 years ago
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it turns out that someone actually watched those 14 hours
It seems like it was a game "without rules"
what GoM did is apparently called Munchkinism.
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Sinot
6 years ago
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In the FFA 8 format, 3 games have already been played. Strong players participated in all of them. In all 3 games, Gomunguls essentially played alone against seven opponents. And in all 3 games, Gomunguls won. In yesterday's game, 2 winners - Gom and Valeria - won. This is simply amazing.
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Montt
6 years ago
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o1dboy79

It seems like it was a game "without rules."
What GoM did is called Munchkinism.
Regardless of the situation described above, yesterday about half of the chat on the stream held a similar point of view, and now even experienced Heroes players are picking it up. So, this is complete NONSENSE.
Removing the "tournament rules" checkbox does NOT mean that anything goes, that you can move units however you want, intentionally crash the game, streamsnipe, load a save in a second window, etc. This is not "munchkinism," it's cheating.
Once again, this doesn't mean that GoM did all of this; simply, the "absence of rules" cannot be taken as an argument when analyzing such behavior, because "anarchy" only applies to in-game mechanics, not to the general rules of fair play.
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MerlinTheMagician
6 years ago
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Can anyone clarify why Savitar's auto-save was loaded instead of Homunculus's? If the problem was with the "constant crash" on Homunculus's auto-save, then why wasn't his latest battle save loaded?
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Xocenk
6 years ago
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IMHO, all questions should be directed to YaRu, as the organizer and judge, since he allows such things. It's his show match, his rules.
Next time, participants (and sponsors) should consider whether they need this.

According to the rules of HW and the online lobby, such actions are not allowed; cocaine and Montt are right.
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