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Please create a separate thread or use Skype or another platform to discuss the Remix.
AstralLein
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zahar0z
And yes, in my opinion, it shouldn't be done this way because it's not a conversation but (as I understand it) a stream – new content for the remix, work to develop his channel. It's not a compromise or mutually beneficial coexistence, as long as the conditions aren't equal.
No, Skype is just a chat without any recording; you can even use a webcam, but it won't be recorded. Honestly, I'm surprised that so many people don't know that:confused: Okay, not to use it, but to not even know... well, never mind, anyway, no, it's not content, unless you separately record a video over all of this and then publish it somewhere, but I highly doubt that Remix is that cunning:rolleyes:
That's exactly what it is: just new content, or rather, a parade of hypocritical lies disguised as a discussion.
Let me explain.
It usually goes something like this:
Remix creates content in the first review, gets views, donations, and other YouTube "perks." Then, due to a conflict with the author and under the guise of discussing the first stream, he does a second stream, but this time with the author, getting all the same benefits, but twice over.
Furthermore, in the second stream, he usually displays remarkable reasonableness and stops throwing around harsh words, badmouthing the author left and right, because the author is in the live stream with him. Since the discussion is quite constructive on his part, viewers get the illusion that Remix is actually quite objective in his judgments. This, in turn, whitewashes his reputation in the eyes of viewers and forum participants.
So, in the end, he's in a double win situation in terms of content, donations, and adding to his "objectivity" score. PROFIT!
And what does the project author get? Well, I don't even know; at best, their nickname is mentioned in the video title, but that's it. Because no links for viewers to contact the author are provided. Except for a link to the mod, and even that isn't the author's...
And where are the mutually beneficial conditions here?
I was talking about Skype, but here we're talking about a live stream on YouTube using it. If the author agreed to both Skype and YouTube, then yes, but if only to Skype, then no.
I was talking about Skype, but here the discussion is about a direct stream on YouTube using it. If the author agreed to both Skype and YouTube, then yes, but if only to Skype, then no.
But the initial discussion was about streaming... Phoenix 2100
P.S. Regarding the stream - it's an interesting idea, how can it be implemented?
Remix
You can write your Skype here (or in a private message to HeroesWorld). We'll discuss everything in Skype.
I understand. You believe this issue is too important to ignore, zahar0z asked not to delete his messages, and footman requested a separate thread for these discussions.
I've created the thread.
Of course, I must immediately warn that, regardless of how important a particular person is in this context, I will not allow direct insults (and in this regard, some previous messages, in general, do not meet the criteria). But expressing one's point of view in general is fine.
Guys, I'm always open to suggestions. I'm ready to discuss, like adults, any ambiguities, pros, and cons of the reviews. We can do it on Skype or during a stream; I don't mind. Everyone can explain their position. So, if anyone is willing to do this, please send me a private message, and we'll discuss all the details.
For example, we could do it in this specially created thread. So we don't have to put on a show with dancing and singing just for you.
My main complaint about you remains the same. You post copies of mods in your group, sometimes even without mentioning the author. Crediting the author, and ideally providing links, is a matter of good etiquette in any normal community and helps everyone coexist and develop in a mutually beneficial way.
Couldn't we, for example, use this specially created thread? So we don't have to put on a show with dancing and singing just to please you.
Friend, live communication is always better than tons of messages. I talked to Phoenix 2100 on the forum today, and there was a lot of negativity and criticism directed at me. After a 30-minute Skype call, all the issues were clarified. We understood each other and did a live stream review of the mod. You can call it whatever you want, but communicating on Skype is a simpler and more civilized way to reach an agreement, if that's your goal. If you just want to express dissatisfaction, I think it's better to use any social network or HW for correspondence. I'm all for constructive dialogue.
Regarding reviews and other things, after the first incident where you demanded money for "advertising," I made it clear that I don't want to contribute to your earnings or channel development in any way, not even for a single penny, with my work.
Regarding reviews and other things, after the first situation where you demanded money for "advertising," I made it clear that I don't want to contribute to your earnings or channel development in any way, not even for a penny, with my work.
zahar0z, just in case, Remix clearly wrote to me in a private message:
- Okay, I promise that our conversation will not be public. I will not post any recordings online or anything like that.
I don't know if this changes anything or not, but if any assistance is needed in establishing peace (although I have doubts about its appropriateness, and I'm just a bystander), I could theoretically help.
I don't know if this changes anything, but if any assistance is needed in establishing peace (although I have doubts about its appropriateness, as I'm just an observer), I could theoretically provide it.
I think it all depends on zahar0z. The presence of a "MENT" moderator will safeguard the interests of both parties and allow the conversation to proceed in a constructive manner.
You communicate better in writing than you do verbally... Anyway, my main point is that it would be good to reconcile. It would be very beneficial. The person who talks about mods and the person who creates them (and has long been recognized as a master in this field) could live in perfect harmony in terms of their activities. The fact that this is not happening is a serious oversight. What agreements and concessions would be needed to make this possible is a separate and also important question.
The person who talks about mods and the person who creates them could live in perfect symbiosis in terms of their activities. The fact that this is not happening is a serious oversight.
I agree completely.
There used to be a long post here with a lot of negativity. I decided to remove it.
In short, I talked to Remix on the phone, and it lasted for an hour or so. I am very grateful to him for finally convincing me to call. Although we argued a little at first and expressed our grievances, the conversation eventually became reasonable, constructive, and even pleasant.
Overall, I looked at many things from a different perspective, and I hope Remix also saw the situation through my eyes and the eyes of the modders.
Remix promised that he would provide links to the original files of the modders and not copy them to his group. He also promised that he would provide a link to Hero World for the mod he is reviewing (he actually does this often anyway). Also, if Remix has reviewed your mod and you have, for example, a VK group or some similar resource, you can contact Remix and ask him to add a link to your resource related to the mod from the review.
In turn, Remix asks to attach his reviews to the pages of the mods. I think this is a normal request and a very good and useful idea for everyone.
He invites authors to do joint mod reviews. I urge all modders to cooperate with him, arrange reviews of mods in the presence of the author. Because the author often cannot present his work properly, and Remix does not have much knowledge about modding, so the presence of the author can help tell the audience about the mod in more detail and not only from one perspective. In theory, this is a really good idea for symbiosis. Remix also suggests that modders who are, for one reason or another, dissatisfied with the review of their mod, agree on a joint new review, in which the authors can, if they want, defend their work.
In short, he actually makes a good impression as a reasonable person who cares. I apologize to everyone if my comments before this made people dislike him.
We talked to him, and I think I was able to convey to him that many of his words offended the modders, but I got the impression that he did not do it intentionally. In addition, now I understand that many of our words offended him, including those with which we did not intend to offend him. And I would like to apologize at least for myself.
Let's all respect each other's work. Remix may be quick-tempered and react more sharply than he should (this shortcoming is also inherent in me), I still don't understand some of his decisions, but overall he is making an effort to overcome this inherent shortcoming. He is interested in interacting and can help the community in many ways. I urge you to cooperate, it is important.
Also, during the conversation, a couple more good ideas emerged. For example, create a sub-section on Hero World called "mods in development" where raw and still-being-developed mods will be posted, and if a review is made, it will be from the perspective of "this is a draft." Overall, I think it's a good idea, because modding in Heroes is a specific thing, and it's better to somehow separate for the audience "this is already ready" and "this is still being worked on."
My long post used to be here, which contained a lot of negativity. I decided to remove it.
In short, I spoke with remix over the phone; it lasted an hour or an hour and a half. I am very grateful to him for finally convincing me to call. Although at first we argued a bit and aired our grievances, the conversation eventually became adequate, constructive, and even pleasant.
Overall, I looked at many things from a different perspective, and I hope remix also saw the situation through my eyes and the eyes of the modders.
Remix promised that he will provide links to the original files of the modders rather than copying them to his own group. He also promised that he will provide a link to HeroWorld regarding the topic of the mod he is reviewing (to be honest, he already did this quite often). Also, if remix has made a review of your mod and you have, for example, a VK group or some similar resource, you can make a request to remix and he will add a link to your resource related to the reviewed mod.
Remix, in turn, asks to attach his reviews to the mod pages; I believe this is a reasonable request and a very good and useful idea for everyone.
He invites authors to do joint mod reviews. I urge all modders to cooperate with him and arrange mod reviews in the presence of the author. Since an author often cannot present their work effectively and remix lacks much knowledge about modding, the author's presence can help tell the viewer about the mod in more detail and from more than one perspective. In theory, this is a really great idea for symbiosis. Remix also suggests that modders who are dissatisfied with the review of their mod for one reason or another arrange a joint new review, in which authors can, if they wish, defend their work.
In short, he actually gives the impression of an adequate person who cares. I apologize to everyone if my previous comments turned people against him.
We spoke, and I think I was able to convey to him that many of his words hurt the modders, but I got the impression that this was not done intentionally. Furthermore, I now realize that many of our words hurt him, including those we did not intend to be hurtful. And I would like to apologize at least on my own behalf.
Let's all respect each other's work. Remix can be hot-tempered and react more sharply than he should (this flaw is also present in me), I still don't understand some of his decisions, but overall he is making an effort to overcome this inherent downside. He is interested in maintaining contact and can help the community in many ways. I urge you to cooperate; it is important.
Also, a couple more good ideas came up during the conversation. For example, creating a "mods in development" subsection on HeroWorld where raw and still-being-refined mods would be posted, and if a review is made, it would be from the position of "this is a draft." Overall, I think it's a good idea because modding Heroes is a specific thing, and it's better to distinguish for the viewer between "this is already finished" and "this will still be worked on."
We discussed many things and managed to resolve the misunderstanding between us. When you look through another person's eyes, many things become clear. The dialogue was difficult but productive. It was a pleasure discussing this with zahar0z. I am currently correcting the mod links under the videos—there are about 100 of them and 300-400 under scenarios. Therefore, please be patient; the process is not fast, I think I'll finish within a month. If by any chance there is no link to HW under your mod or scenario review, please contact me; you can do so here, for example: (https://vk.com/topic-87790524_32514367?offset=2580).
Links to the mod authors will be presented in the following format, using the "SWAMP from Heroes 3" mod as an example:
My YandexDisk serves as the distribution mirror; if a responsible person is found who is willing to upload all mods to their own storage, we can always change it and use their links—the main thing here is to have a backup. Why is a mirror needed? In case a topic is deleted from HW (God forbid, of course, but anything can happen, which is why backup copies of the mod exist), for ease of downloading by regular viewers (if they don't have an HW registration, for example), and of course for peace of mind :)
footman
